(October 6, 2016 at 11:05 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 5, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: God is pure and absolute self existence.

Interesting sentence construction.  Let me try one.


"Zog is authentic and essential autodidactic knowledge."


How'd I do?

Bob is pure and absolute radio-etheric chocolate.

Unsupported assertion is fun!

(October 6, 2016 at 11:12 am)Whateverist Wrote: I doubt it.  Portraying yourself as having formerly been a really fucked up person before you found the lord is pretty standard fare amongst apologists.  Keep in mind that they imagine we are all running amuck in sin and fallenness.  

It's actually quite interesting to watch if you find yourself at a Christian meeting. It's like the apologetic's version of the four Yorkshiremen. I remembering the first one get up and say how fucked up he was before he found God and then the others followed with a similar story, but each worse and slightly different.

(October 6, 2016 at 9:11 am)robvalue Wrote: I have two entities. One is a god, and one is an arbitrarily powerful non-God. How do I tell the difference?

Make them arm wrestle for the title.

(October 5, 2016 at 9:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: There is no empty space, the is no where it is not. This is before the inflation of empty (voided) space aka "creation".

(October 6, 2016 at 11:32 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 6, 2016 at 11:12 am)Whateverist Wrote: I doubt it.  Portraying yourself as having formerly been a really fucked up person before you found the lord is pretty standard fare amongst apologists.  Keep in mind that they imagine we are all running amuck in sin and fallenness.  

It's actually quite interesting to watch if you find yourself at a Christian meeting. It's like the apologetic's version of the four Yorkshiremen. I remembering the first one get up and say how fucked up he was before he found God and then the others followed with a similar story, but each worse and slightly different.

IMO, this would appear to support the observation made by Andy Thomson, author of Why We Believe in Gods, that religion provides a strong platform for connection, bonding, and attachment, which is a great source of its power over people.

(October 6, 2016 at 8:29 am)Ben Davis Wrote:

(October 5, 2016 at 9:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I mean it spatially as infinite pure matter filling all available space.  There is no empty space, the is no where it is not. This is before the inflation of empty (voided) space aka "creation".

So your 'god' is the state of the universe before the expansion? Then why call it 'god'?

Because it is responsible for all of creation which is a self expression. The unified nature of God is unfolded/spread out/individuated during inflation and these become the forces inside a universe.

(October 6, 2016 at 8:38 am)Firefighter01 Wrote:

(October 5, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: God is pure and absolute self existence.

You are not telling me anything here, you may have well said, "God is nice." Or "God never says shit".  I'm asking you, what the fuck is God? An alien?  A really big turtle that spans the universe? A Robot? That's the problem with Christians, they don't really know what the Hell they are worshipping.  They hide behind the God is Love, God is Pure bullshit.

Do you want the correct answer?  Maybe the school kid or what I believe to be a troll wants to have a dig first?

God is a noun: a person, place and thing. To us it is mostly place and thing. During inflation it spreads out and becomes the border conditions and shaping functions for the universes.

(October 6, 2016 at 9:52 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 5, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: God is pure and absolute self existence.

Pro tip: This sort of vacuous bullshit seems much more impressive if you can dress it up in German philosophical jargon.

I'm sure I'll be learning that too. Meanwhile I speak in plain spatial and material terms. The actual amount of material you are composed of only takes up 0.000000000001% of the space you occupy. God before inflation occupies all space with matter to 100% (saturated space). It is still that way between the universes and above and below the metaversal stack...forever.

(October 6, 2016 at 10:27 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 5, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: He had no colon.  There is no void-space in the body of God.  But the inflation of a universe is like the opening of God's mouth.  I seem to remember a ceremony...

Wait. He had a mouth but no colon?

"Is like"....is like, is like, is like...

There is nothing being consumed, everything in the "mouth" is a standing wave expression. But the mouth expresses the Word and the word is "God." The universe is a developing self expression. They all are a self expression from the same being.


If you prefer anthropomorphism that includes a butt-hole, I'm sure I can make one for you.

So, in essence, the metagaboggles entangled a couple of rayons to make up for the sandwiggles in the ultraverses.

Got it.