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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 12:48 pm
(October 13, 2016 at 9:45 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: @Aractus @mh.brewer
"Mathematics exists because it was invented by humans. It isn't some immaterial "truth" that was out there for us to discover. "
Just because we gave a name to describe what we observe in the natural world, doesn't mean we invented the observation. The golden rule exists wether or not we are here to observe it.
This is how it works, we observe patterns in the natural world that are absolute, and consistant, and universal, and then make a name to describe that observation, for example the fibonacci sequence:
http://www.livescience.com/37470-fibonac...uence.html
Previous link that seemed to go overlooked:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...h-excerpt/ YOu might be confused and confusing others....
The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The Golden Ratio: 1.61803398875 aka the ratio of beauty aka the divine ratio and it is approached by the Fibonacci sequence when you divide a large number in the sequence by the previous number. Also found in the natural self division of a pentagram.
![[Image: pentagram.jpg]](https://chesterfieldpagans.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/pentagram.jpg)
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 12:49 pm
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 12:50 pm
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 1:18 pm
(October 14, 2016 at 7:43 am)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: @pocaracas
"I take it you agree with everything else I wrote, then..."
Mmmm... There was alot of unnecary filler that all ammounted to the same point(s) so i found it irrelevent. Then there was the obvious contradiction so i kind of discredited the rest anyways..
I'm wondering what kinds of marks you received in reading comprehension and whether you have a reputation for applying yourself. Not all of us are grammar nazis but few of us will forgive sloth in the service of willful ignorance.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 1:33 pm
Yeah yeah it was a typo, still getting used to my phone key board and it wouldn't let me edit so i said f it! That being said, i've already laid out a disclaimer that i'm not the most litterate.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 1:33 pm
(October 14, 2016 at 7:48 am)Mathilda Wrote: Or zero to the power of zero
https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles....3-5.shtml
that source Wrote:There are some further reasons why using 0^0 = 1 is preferable, but they boil down to that choice being more useful than the alternative choices, leading to simpler theorems, or feeling more “natural” to mathematicians. The choice is not “right”, it is merely nice.
This quote nicely illustrates the fact that all of us here agree upon (who are not arguing for the existence of faeries) that mathematics is an invention. We choose to make it square with what we observe empirically; but when it gets messy we just choose to make it serviceable. Nice work, math guys (and dolls).
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 1:35 pm
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(October 14, 2016 at 12:48 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: (October 13, 2016 at 9:45 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: @Aractus @mh.brewer
"Mathematics exists because it was invented by humans. It isn't some immaterial "truth" that was out there for us to discover. "
Just because we gave a name to describe what we observe in the natural world, doesn't mean we invented the observation. The golden rule exists wether or not we are here to observe it.
This is how it works, we observe patterns in the natural world that are absolute, and consistant, and universal, and then make a name to describe that observation, for example the fibonacci sequence:
http://www.livescience.com/37470-fibonac...uence.html
Previous link that seemed to go overlooked:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...h-excerpt/ YOu might be confused and confusing others....
The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The Golden Ratio: 1.61803398875 aka the ratio of beauty aka the divine ratio and it is approached by the Fibonacci sequence when you divide a large number in the sequence by the previous number. Also found in the natural self division of a pentagram.
Yeah i meant the golden ratio my bad
(October 14, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (October 14, 2016 at 7:48 am)Mathilda Wrote: Or zero to the power of zero
https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles....3-5.shtml
that source Wrote:There are some further reasons why using 0^0 = 1 is preferable, but they boil down to that choice being more useful than the alternative choices, leading to simpler theorems, or feeling more “natural” to mathematicians. The choice is not “right”, it is merely nice.
This quote nicely illustrates the fact that all of us here agree upon (who are not arguing for the existence of faeries) that mathematics is an invention. We choose to make it square with what we observe empirically; but when it gets messy we just choose to make it serviceable. Nice work, math guys (and dolls).
Nope.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 1:42 pm
(October 14, 2016 at 12:48 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: (October 13, 2016 at 9:45 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: @Aractus @mh.brewer
"Mathematics exists because it was invented by humans. It isn't some immaterial "truth" that was out there for us to discover. "
Just because we gave a name to describe what we observe in the natural world, doesn't mean we invented the observation. The golden rule exists wether or not we are here to observe it.
This is how it works, we observe patterns in the natural world that are absolute, and consistant, and universal, and then make a name to describe that observation, for example the fibonacci sequence:
http://www.livescience.com/37470-fibonac...uence.html
Previous link that seemed to go overlooked:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...h-excerpt/ YOu might be confused and confusing others....
The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The Golden Ratio: 1.61803398875 aka the ratio of beauty aka the divine ratio and it is approached by the Fibonacci sequence when you divide a large number in the sequence by the previous number. Also found in the natural self division of a pentagram.
(October 14, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: dblpst
(October 14, 2016 at 12:50 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: dblpst
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 1:54 pm
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(October 13, 2016 at 9:52 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Quote:"Nope. A collection of subjective experiences, no matter how large the population, is not sufficient to establish objective Truth."
Even the context of your response was built off of the presupposition that what your saying IS in fact true! I mean do i even have to elaborate how absurd this is? Okay, you are arguing there is objective truth. We are subjective beings. How do YOU propose that we establish that anything is objectively true, beyond the context of what we can see and touch? Put on our thinkin' caps, and figure it out? Good luck with that.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 4:09 pm
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(October 14, 2016 at 1:35 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: (October 14, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: This quote nicely illustrates the fact that all of us here agree upon (who are not arguing for the existence of faeries) that mathematics is an invention. We choose to make it square with what we observe empirically; but when it gets messy we just choose to make it serviceable. Nice work, math guys (and dolls).
Nope.
Hmmmm .. hadn't looked at it that way. Nice argument and eloquently made.
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