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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 12:00 pm
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Is it immaterial chad, or are you committing the same equivocation? Is there anything to this "god" shit, anything at all, that isn't a barren expression of predictable human folly?
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 2:20 pm
(October 13, 2016 at 10:51 pm)Astreja Wrote: I believe that there are objective facts, such as the number of oranges in a particular bag from the supermarket.
Truth, however, I see as a sentient being's perception of those facts. As it is limited by the perceptual abilities of the observer, it is by necessity subjective and provisional, incapable of becoming an absolute.
(October 16, 2016 at 10:53 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 7:39 am)chimp3 Wrote: Logic is a function of the human brain which is material.
The human brain is a function of logic which is immaterial...And saying that is just as meaningless as what you asserted. The human brain is a function of logic?
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 2:22 pm
(October 13, 2016 at 10:51 pm)Astreja Wrote: I believe that there are objective facts, such as the number of oranges in a particular bag from the supermarket.
Truth, however, I see as a sentient being's perception of those facts. As it is limited by the perceptual abilities of the observer, it is by necessity subjective and provisional, incapable of becoming an absolute.
(October 16, 2016 at 9:39 am)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 7:39 am)chimp3 Wrote: Soldat du Christ : "...do you not believe that non material things exist? For example gravity? Mathematics? Laws of logic? Truth is fact, by definition. Do you not believe in facts? These are all in fact immaterial."
Logic is immaterial? Logic is a function of the human brain which is material.
I said the "laws of logic", for example the law of non contradiction.
How are the " laws of logic" separate from the material human brain?
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 2:39 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 10:53 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 7:39 am)chimp3 Wrote: Logic is a function of the human brain which is material.
The human brain is a function of logic which is immaterial...And saying that is just as meaningless as what you asserted.
I seriously doubt that. Logic is an achievement our electro-chemical meat bag brains can achieve on occasion but that's about it.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 9:39 am)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: I said the "laws of logic", for example the law of non contradiction.
The law of non contradiction is flawed. It can't always be applied.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 9:39 am)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: I said the "laws of logic", for example the law of non contradiction.
The law of non contradiction is flawed. It can't always be applied.
Interesting... An example please?
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: The law of non contradiction is flawed. It can't always be applied.
Interesting... An example please?
Particle physics/quantum mechanics, I'll give two. Schrodinger's Cat and photons.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: The law of non contradiction is flawed. It can't always be applied.
Interesting... An example please?
Yeah, I'd like to hear him explain that without contradicting himself!
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 5:29 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Interesting... An example please?
Particle physics/quantum mechanics, I'll give two. Schrodinger's Cat and photons.
So the first one, when practiced in reality, has either two completely random outcomes is that correct?
And i couldn't find anything about photons being contradictory so if you could elaborate please.
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RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 16, 2016 at 6:45 pm
(October 16, 2016 at 5:29 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: (October 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Particle physics/quantum mechanics, I'll give two. Schrodinger's Cat and photons.
So the first one, when practiced in reality, has either two completely random outcomes is that correct?
And i couldn't find anything about photons being contradictory so if you could elaborate please.
1. Correct, A can = B and A can not = B, until the box is opened.
2. Photon, depending on the situation can be considered a wave or a particle. So particle can = particle and particle does not = wave.
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