(October 21, 2016 at 11:38 am)Nymphadora Wrote: I posted laws pertaing to rape, sexual assault, etc, for all 50 states and the territories the US currently owns. Yet you ignored all of that. Keep trying to push your bullshit though. No one is buying whatever crap you're peddling, drippypoo.

BECAUSE.. "All of that" still gets consumed and becomes apart of my greater arguement.

Rape, NO MATTER HOW YOU DEFINE IT Is Still A Criminal Act...

Do you see yet? You by providing 50 different definitions made no change to my statement. Because all 50 definitions still fit into what i said, and what I said still rings true.

I did not say anything to you because i thought you would be smart enough to ask a question or you had figured it out.

*sigh*

So close to being a human, Drich.  So close...

Unfortunately for you, you never provided sufficient evidence for your bald assertion that the word "rape" is only meaningful or definable in legal context, and in fact, multiple people here demonstrated that assertion to be FALSE.  When you were asked to provide said evidence for your assertion you played dumb and changed the subject. So, your argument that a victim has no "right" to use that word in a private sense if they can't use it in a legal sense is completely without merit. If you need to blame me for a basic inability to comprehend what we have been discussing then you can do so, but know a legitimate explanation is given. Your comprehension or rather failure of it can not be contributed to me unless you open a dialog about what you do not understand.

It would seem rather than open a dialog you just assume your position is right, because you do not understand your opponent. then you celebrate your own acknowledged ignorance with a victory lap/summation and claiming a general lack of humanity.

Just in case you were indeed looking for truth, let me break it down into smaller pieces so you can identify the various components of my explanation and then raise an objection to the bits they can not comprehend:

1)The word rape How ever you define it legally, is classified as a criminal act in this country. Meaning in order for you to use this word to "empower" victims you must have the full weight the the US legal system supporting you. Otherwise why not use the word forced sex?

2) I defined "criminal act" several times and left links to it's legal definition:
Criminal act is an act committed by a person that violates a law and which is punishable by the government. Criminal acts are offenses against the public which are punishable. It can be any act or omission or possession which poses a threat to the public.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-act/
So the #2 point is so long as a rape is considered a criminal act It gives is an alledged rape victim the empowerment you seek/the full weight of US legal system behind them.

3) IF a rape has occurred outside an SOL (Which is How Some states Identify/Limit the definition of a rape) then it ceases to be prosecutable/becomes not punishable by the government.

4) once the act ceases to be punishable by the government, it ceases to be a criminal act, by the very defination of the word.

5)If the alleged rape is not a criminal act then it no longer provides any legal support from the governement as a prosecutible crime.
-AND
If a Rape is also defined by a SOL, and that SOL has expired, (because again the SOL Limits the definition as to how long an accusation of rape can be considered a Crime.) the word rape by legal defination no longer applies to whatever happened.

6)Conclusion: To use the term rape if it does not meet the parameters set fourth by the legal definition (which includes the SOL) Then it is no different legally speaking than if nothing happened at all.

7)UNDERSTAND This If Nothing Else. You are not arguing with me, You are arguing with how the justice department identifies and prosecutes rape cases. If this were not so, then why won't the state prosecute rape cases outside an SOL?? (not special exceptions where the law allows, but in general when a case does not meet any special requirements)

Also know that the Statue of Limitations has been set in the case of most crime because we are a country where the presumption of innocence is written in to our constitutional rights. there is a bigger picture at play here than just the minority of victims who can't/wont come forward.

So, If siding with popular morality and calling our law enforcement murders and charging people with rape without due process is what you call 'human' I'll pass. i'd much rather be an a 'Merrican!

Quote:Your dead terrorist/combat soldier example is a poor analogy to a rape victim/rapist.  There is no such thing as a justified rape, or a justified sexual assault.  But it's irrelevant anyhow for the reason I just stated in the paragraph above.

But there is such a thing as consensual sex you moron, In that a nut bag can have consensual sex and can/will later claim to be rape because she is jelly or just off her nut. Again you WRONGFULLY ASSume that ALL claims of Rape are indeed rape. You By the simple accusation of rape, in your mind has already convicted (Without due process) the alleged attacker. YOU are the very problem I am warning people about.

Where did you stand when the rolling stone article came out about the gang rape of the girl at some frat party? If there were a linch mob you would be the one lighting torches. That is why you can not see past your auto-indictment of every alleged attacker for the sake of a victim, which is why you could not make the connection between a soldier/cop making a good kill, and someone being accused of rape who had consensual sex at the time.

Thankfully that's what our laws are here for. to do the right thing despite what a mob might think is right..

Quote:I'm not going to be bothered with all the police shooting/rioting crap you blasted me with because it has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about.  Pass.

Actually it does, but if you can only deal with one subject at a time I have no problem force feeding you fact from this one subject.

Quote:Go ahead if you want, and keep telling sexual assault victims they can't have the word "rape" unless the guy goes to jail for it.  Keeping putting agendas before human beings.  Let me know how it works out for you.  "Think, feel, act however you want.  I can only offer a different perspective."

straw man much?

Your twisted version of reality/How people like you twist the facts to fit their narrative is THE EXACT REASON THERE IS AN SOL ON RAPE. In the face of printed truth, you still twist what i have actually said to fit your narrative/what you have told yourself is true. It is evident because you are still trying to milk sympathy by changing what I have said to fit a general consensus that is being used to deny the truth of my words.

Just know that the laws of this country (whether you can wrap your head around them or not) are meant to protect and serve the greater good. and if you can see how you yourself (your thoughts and position) are not in the greater good/being directly served by the law. Know that the fact that you can have this contrast of opinion is indeed being protected by the same laws you can't quit understand or agree with.[/hide]


Whatever, dude. Enjoy the reality you live in, I guess. I'm done with your text walls of irrational excuses for why things don't mean what they mean because...you don't want them to mean that for some sick, deep-seeded personal reason you have. Your unproductive, unsupported nonsense has taken up enough of my time. I tried to have an open discussion with you; I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and see things from your POV despite how difficult that is for me, even after everyone else had bailed. Even after everyone else jumped on the 'insult Drich' wagon. But you'd rather argue a straw man, and insult me than actually communicate with me. I mean, look how mad you just got! Calling me a moron, lol. You really HATE being proved wrong, don't you? [emoji41]


No, of COURSE I don't see every rape accusation as an actual rape. That's nonsense. As I've already SAID to you, women lie about rape all time, which in and of its self is a CRIME. Also, our justice system is fallible. Actual rapes go un prosecuted all the time. Rape kits sit in evidence rooms unprocessed for years. You really ARE binary to a fault, as someone else has already mentioned.

I've been telling you this entire time that I am coming from a hypothetical actual victim's perspective here (meaning a person who was actually sexually penetrated without consent, in case you'd like to argue what the word "actual" means, lol.) regardless of whether or not they reported it. I am NOT coming from the perspective of an outsider watching an allegation take place. But, since you have no legitimate rebuttal against my point, you'll insist on strawmanning me in order to keep up this back and forth.

I'm not sure what sympathy you think I'm pulling for. Because I admitted I was assaulted? Assaults don't always remain a deep, bleeding, open wound for everyone you know, lol. I reported the guy. He got off. It was 10 years ago. I'm over it. I don't use my assault as some kind of "insider information" offering to you. You don't have to have been assaulted to understand that what you're saying is stupid. I don't require sympathy in order to maintain positions I hold on the subject of rape.

But...that being said, the specifics of my PERSONAL scenario don't give Drippy, some nobody on the Internet, a shred of leverage to insist that I can't declare I was raped.

In fact...since it bugs the living shit out of you so much... *clears throat* I was RAPED! Raped, raped, raped, raped! So...incredibly...raped. I can sing it to the tune of Yankee fucking Doodle if you want, and guess what? There's isn't a DAMN thing you can do about it [emoji57][emoji1][emoji56]

I think I'm officially done here, btw. You can respond if you'd like, but you're blowing hot air to no one at this point. I'm probably done responding to you going forward. I always end up needing another shower after engaging you, and at 6 months pregnant I barely fit into bathroom these days as it is. Keep on fighting the "good" fight in the name of the lord, man.

(October 21, 2016 at 11:54 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(October 11, 2016 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote:

Wow.  I thought I would just naturally skim/skip his shit but hard not to react to this.  Not addressed to you, Dipshit.  You aren't worth it.  But just to everyone else, you know people with their humanity intact, what a crass way to respond to a rape victim.
If there is anyone who thought there was a point in appealing to this guys 'better lights', I hope this makes it clear.  He doesn't have any.

who would have the right to respond that way?
1) someone being falsely accused
2) someone who has endured a sexual assault/rape (to a magnitude far greater than what was described) and does not believe what the 'alleged rape victim' has to say.

Someone who believes it is bullshit that someone can just casually use rape to one up an argument, but at the same time be so terror struck as to not be able to report it to police.

Someone who could have used his experience to 'one up' several topics in which I was being challenged. one being "my own choosing" of heterosexuality, to homosexuality being a choice, to even defending myself in a discussion that got me suspended on this website for two weeks.. Never once did i mention details any of it aside from telling you all "some really bad stuff happened to me over a period of time that had me conclude there was no God.. (what made me atheist) Why because I was the only person here standing to benfit from using this experience at those time.

Yet here YOU go attacking a legit victim (me) who has recovered and knows the ins and outs of recovery, and only has ever seen this type of behavior (can't report a rape but will use the charge of rape to manipulate people) in someone looking to be a perpetual victim. Someone who has actually given a potion of his life helping other victims. Someone who is sharing something that I've only ever shared the complete story with my soon to be wife, in hopes or spreading a greater awareness and a broader message concerning not only the victim but how the law is structured to also protect the rest of us.

I tried to report my attacks, but i lived in a different time and in a different culture. Everything I said about the law and about a victim applies to me first, yet I found empowerment and recovery.. Tried to share I tried to share how all of that was possible, but you assholes would not listen because i did not first kneel to the alter of pity everyone who crys rape. people who have been raped know what it is to have every shred of dignity self worth and even the illusion of self control taken from them does not wish that on anyone (at least not 15 years after the fact.) Unless you are a perpetual victim (someone who uses a circumstance to manipulate others either knowingly, or because this is the only way they know how to respond.)

My words or the use of those emoji's was meant to flesh out who it was I was speaking with.

The fact that her story changed in her very next exchange should have told you 'good' people who it was you I was talking to... But nooooo even now despite inconsistencies in her story I'm the bad guy because I did not follow the f'ed-up protocol you idiots follow like a bunch of blind lemmings.

(October 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(October 21, 2016 at 11:36 am)Drich Wrote: 1)The word rape How ever you define it legally, is classified as a criminal act in this country. Meaning in order for you to use this word to "empower" victims you must have the full weight the the US legal system supporting you. Otherwise why not use the word forced sex?

Firstly, "forced sex" -is- rape...so it hardly matters which word one uses.  The full weight of the us government -is- behind anyone who has been "raped" or "subjected to forced sex".

Quote:2) I defined "criminal act" several times and left links to it's legal definition:
Criminal act is an act committed by a person that violates a law and which is punishable by the government. Criminal acts are offenses against the public which are punishable. It can be any act or omission or possession which poses a threat to the public.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-act/
So the #2 point is so long as a rape is considered a criminal act It gives is an alledged rape victim the empowerment you seek/the full weight of US legal system behind them.

Hey look, you finally got one right on accident.  Gratz brosef.  Course, that probably has something to do with legal definitions being written specificaly for the purpose of stymieing sleazeballs like yourself.  If you could have spun it, you would have, lol.

Quote:3) IF a rape has occurred outside an SOL (Which is How Some states Identify/Limit the definition of a rape) then it ceases to be prosecutable/becomes not punishable by the government.

It doesn't, that's not what an SOL does, this isn't the first time you've been made aware of this.  

Quote:4) once the act ceases to be punishable by the government, it ceases to be a criminal act, by the very defination of the word.

Since that day never comes, this is an irrelevance.

Quote:5)If the alleged rape is not a criminal act then it no longer provides any legal support from the governement as a prosecutible crime.
-AND
If a Rape is also defined by a SOL, and that SOL has expired, (because again the SOL Limits the definition as to how long an accusation of rape can be considered a Crime.) the word rape by legal defination no longer applies to whatever happened.

Again, that's not what an SOL does, what more needs be or -can- be said?  

Quote:6)Conclusion: To use the term rape if it does not meet the parameters set fourth by the legal definition (which includes the SOL) Then it is no different legally speaking than if nothing happened at all.

Even if you weren't hilariously wrong with the above, you would still be wrong here.  If there is no trial, the state makes no comment.  They certainly don't default to the ludicrous position that...since a trial did not occur, nothing happened, legally or colloquially.  

Quote:7)UNDERSTAND This If Nothing Else. You are not arguing with me, You are arguing with how the justice department identifies and prosecutes rape cases. If this were not so, then why won't the state prosecute rape cases outside an SOL?? (not special exceptions where the law allows, but in general when a case does not meet any special requirements)

You neither write our laws, nor are you capable of accurately communicating them, nor are you capable of understanding them.  Yes, Drich...it's all you here.  These are your rape related fantasies.  Apparently, you have a whole pile of them.

Quote:Also know that the Statue of Limitations has been set in the case of most crime because we are a country where the presumption of innocence is written in to our constitutional rights. there is a bigger picture at play here than just the minority of victims who can't/wont come forward.

So, If siding with popular morality and calling our law enforcement murders and charging people with rape without due process is what you call 'human' I'll pass. i'd much rather be an a 'Merrican!

OFC there's a bigger picture, but it has nothing to do with any of your imbecilic statements - frankly, you've flat out ignored the bigger picture in favor of your rape related fantasies, and that bigger picture has nothing to do with your laughable "pop morality" obsession either.  I doubt that you'd be capable of being an american even if you miraculously came to understand what that meant.  

It takes a real un-american piece of work, for example...to wrap himself in the flag while engaging in rape apologism.  May as well set it on fire and force it up your asshole while you're at it, post and all.

PROOF idiot PROOOOOOFFFFFF

Saying nut-huh in one like zingers does not dispell anything I said. show me proof that what i have said is wrong.

I expressed nothing in my statements that hasn't been presented to you, more than once, in the preceding 70 pages of your shitposts.  Go drudge through your own excrement if you think it's necessary?

You lost any claim to integrity or repeated demonstrations long, long ago, somewhere between "forced sex isn't rape" and "asian girls love it, you bigots".

(October 21, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 21, 2016 at 11:54 am)Whateverist Wrote: Wow.  I thought I would just naturally skim/skip his shit but hard not to react to this.  Not addressed to you, Dipshit.  You aren't worth it.  But just to everyone else, you know people with their humanity intact, what a crass way to respond to a rape victim.
If there is anyone who thought there was a point in appealing to this guys 'better lights', I hope this makes it clear.  He doesn't have any.

who would have the right to respond that way?
1) someone being falsely accused
2) someone who has endured a sexual assault/rape (to a magnitude far greater than what was described) and does not believe what the 'alleged rape victim' has to say.

Someone who believes it is bullshit that someone can just casually use rape to one up an argument, but at the same time be so terror struck as to not be able to report it to police.

Someone who could have used his experience to 'one up' several topics in which I was being challenged. one being "my own choosing" of heterosexuality, to homosexuality being a choice, to even defending myself in a discussion that got me suspended on this website for two weeks.. Never once did i mention details any of it aside from telling you all "some really bad stuff happened to me over a period of time that had me conclude there was no God.. (what made me atheist) Why because I was the only person here standing to benfit from using this experience at those time.

Yet here YOU go attacking a legit victim (me) who has recovered and knows the ins and outs of recovery, and only has ever seen this type of behavior (can't report a rape but will use the charge of rape to manipulate people) in someone looking to be a perpetual victim. Someone who has actually given a potion of his life helping other victims. Someone who is sharing something that I've only ever shared the complete story with my soon to be wife, in hopes or spreading a greater awareness and a broader message concerning not only the victim but how the law is structured to also protect the rest of us.

I tried to report my attacks, but i lived in a different time and in a different culture. Everything I said about the law and about a victim applies to me first, yet I found empowerment and recovery.. Tried to share I tried to share how all of that was possible, but you assholes would not listen because i did not first kneel to the alter of pity everyone who crys rape. people who have been raped know what it is to have every shred of dignity self worth and even the illusion of self control taken from them does not wish that on anyone (at least not 15 years after the fact.) Unless you are a perpetual victim (someone who uses a circumstance to manipulate others either knowingly, or because this is the only way they know how to respond.)

My words or the use of those emoji's was meant to flesh out who it was I was speaking with.

The fact that her story changed in her very next exchange should have told you 'good' people who it was you I was talking to... But nooooo even now despite inconsistencies in her story I'm the bad guy because I did not follow the f'ed-up protocol you idiots follow like a bunch of blind lemmings.

I know I said I was done, but I just have to say that leading with your own personal experience would have gone a long way in this thread, IMO. Especially when you KNOW that people here have had a hard time connecting with you. Something to think about going forward.

I'm done...
I'm not here to win debates just expose you all to something different than your militantly enforce 'kindness', mandated protocols of good will, strict intolerant attitudes towards anyone your social order does not deem tolerant.

I really don't care anyomore. it's been a week and i am getting board with all of this.

Someone make a note Drich's threshold is about a week on non religious topics. Just get everyone to hold out for a week and you all can take turn doing a victory lap over what is left.

I think I speak for most everyone when I say...thank fuck for that.

(October 21, 2016 at 3:35 pm)Iroscato Wrote: I think I speak for most everyone when I say...thank fuck for that.

I ask my anus if it's interested wether Drich stays or leaves. Better to have a second opinion.