(November 4, 2016 at 3:07 pm)Jehanne Wrote: You act like Fatima was the only "sun miracle"; it wasn't.  Even Pope Pius XII claimed to have it seen from the Vatican gardens.

Yet the real fun fact is them happening mostly at the ass end of the world where people already are predisposed to believe in every kind of whoo. Yeah, I know, god is supposed to be working in mysterious ways, but if he's pulling a show in 1917 of all years. Why in rural Portugal? Why not in the trenches where millions of soldiers could have bowed their heads and ended the war immediately.

Thank you, but I rather go with a shrewd priest or local council who saw a splendid opportunity to move their community forward. I'm also more inclined towards believing that the kids were instrumentalised after the fact to bear witness before the press and the public at large.

(November 4, 2016 at 3:07 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 4, 2016 at 9:45 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ...But the reason I didn't address it is because I don't want to beat a dead horse. I've already stated my reasons for why I think it's convincing and that is not because of one detail or the other in isolation, but because of the compilation of the whole thing put together in context.

A true skeptic is never going to believe. They are always going to claim mass hallucination or whatever else no matter WHAT happens, and that's fine. I'm not trying to argue here.

You act like Fatima was the only "sun miracle"; it wasn't.  Even Pope Pius XII claimed to have it seen from the Vatican gardens.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think Fatima is the only miracle. I definitely don't think that. I feel pretty confident about any miracle approved by the church. Even though I find Fatima to be particularly convincing, it is in no way the only one I believe in.

I guess my question is why Mary never appears to Protestants. Or atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Ba'hai's, Scientologists, or Satanists. It's always devout Catholics who report that she appeared to them and talked to them.

And why does she show up in coffee cups?


Our Lady of the Ugly Dregs in a Coffee Cup

(November 4, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 4, 2016 at 3:07 pm)Jehanne Wrote: You act like Fatima was the only "sun miracle"; it wasn't.  Even Pope Pius XII claimed to have it seen from the Vatican gardens.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think Fatima is the only miracle. I definitely don't think that. I feel pretty confident about any miracle approved by the church. Even though I find Fatima to be particularly convincing, it is in no way the only one I believe in.

You've looked into each of the miracle claims to which the church gave its stamp of approval?

(November 4, 2016 at 4:07 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(November 4, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think Fatima is the only miracle. I definitely don't think that. I feel pretty confident about any miracle approved by the church. Even though I find Fatima to be particularly convincing, it is in no way the only one I believe in.

You've looked into each of the miracle claims to which the church gave its stamp of approval?

No, but I know they don't take this stuff lightly. Miracles are investigated pretty thoroughly and are hard to get approved by the Church, and so I feel pretty confident about the ones that have been.