(October 26, 2016 at 1:23 am)FallentoReason Wrote:

(October 26, 2016 at 12:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: Why?  More god koolaid.  People think and say things like "if god existed, the world would be more or less of x" without ever explaining why...wihout ever voicing all of those silent assumptions.  Allow me to propose an alternative..no matter what god is, or isn't..the world would be exactly -as- it is.

It's not that simple. God being god, he can make whatever proposition true. In the universe next door, the resident God said 2 + 2 would equal 5, and they tell me it's logical over there. 

-aaaaaand there's the turd from whence this cloud of flies sprang, lest we forget. I guess all this bullshit was alot easier than following through on that steaming pile.

Yeah, it is that simple. The universe as it is, is a brute fact, the status and qualitative attributes of a hypothetical god, to be exceedingly generous, is the open end of the question. Whatever those attributes are or may have been..the universe is -still- as it is. If we found out that you list of attributes was wrong, whatever they were, and that another list of attributes was more accurate - think about that, that assumes that we also found out there really was a god...the universe wouldn't suddenly recombine itself before us to fit this new, altered, and more accurate set of attributes. Even if there were a god, and it could set whatever it wanted about a hypothetical universe (totally shitcanning the idea that any specific attribute of the universe -had- to be x by reference to a god all by it;s onesies)..in this -actual- universe, what it set is not open to asshattery, it's still as it is.

You left yourself no room to manouver. None. That's what happens when we invoke goblygoop. While it must have seemed, at the time..to you...to b a way to evade logical thought.....it was actually a noose for an illogical idea that you not only twisted, but threw over the post, wrapped around the neck of your idea..and then pushed off the platform.

/ shrug

(November 4, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(October 29, 2016 at 3:13 am)FallentoReason Wrote: The rules of goblygoop *are* logic. If you're implying something logical is A, and goblygoop is ~A, then you're misunderstanding my position. Texas hold 'em and the other rule are A. So is our logic in this universe and in the other one. There is no error in describing goblygoop as A.

You shameless thing, you.  I wasn't thinking it, you said it, and you've doubled and tripled down on it, backed off from it, them propped it right back up again since.  Make up your mind.

Do you know what an adjective is?

(November 4, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(October 26, 2016 at 1:23 am)FallentoReason Wrote: It's not that simple. God being god, he can make whatever proposition true. In the universe next door, the resident God said 2 + 2 would equal 5, and they tell me it's logical over there. 

-aaaaaand there's the turd from whence this cloud of flies sprang, lest we forget.  I guess all this bullshit was alot easier than following through on that steaming pile.  

Yeah, it is that simple.  The universe as it is a brute fact, the status and qualitative attributes of a hypothetical god, to be exceedingly generous, is the open end of the question.  Whatever those attributes are or may have been..the universe is -still- as it is.

Do you know what an adjective is?

Yes, it's not a noun, which logic is... 

Wait, I see it now.

Rhythm thinks things are objectively logical, whereas I think they are subjectively logical. My position is that they are subject to the universe one is in. As for Rhythm, I'm not going to put words in his mouth, but it's most likely some sort of objective take on it.

OK I try to stay objective, lol. Look man, you're not making any fucking sense nor do you have a point. I was being charitable because rhythm can take it and you need it.

Learn to use words.

@Fallen

Is this the next direction you're going to run in, at 90 miles an hour?  Are you hoping for a different result this time?  Is that a logical expectation or a goblygoopal one?

Do you -really- want to argue for subjective logic..and in doing so, have me reduce all of your "logical" statements to whimpering, subjective opinions by your very own words right from the outset? I mean hell, if logic is subjective, and to you 2+2=5 is or can be logical, how much credibility do you expect me or anyone else with a brain in their head to afford this "logic" of yours? Is it even useful, at that point, what can it do, make 2=2=5, or 4, or 1...maybe eleventy two? Who knows...

(November 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: OK I try to stay objective, lol. Look man, you're not making any fucking sense nor do you have a point. I was being charitable because rhythm can take it and you need it.

Learn to use words.

Wow, because giving charity is sooo objective.

Give me a proper refutation. Learn to use arguments.

(November 4, 2016 at 9:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: @Fallen

Is this the next direction you're going to run in, at 90 miles an hour?  Are you hoping for a different result this time?  Is that a logical expectation or a goblygoopal one?

Do you -really- want to argue for subjective logic..and in doing so, have me reduce all of your "logical" statements to whimpering, subjective opinions by your very own words right from the outset?

2 + 2 = 5 is subjective. You've actually agreed on that already. It's subject to the rules of goblygoop.

(November 4, 2016 at 9:36 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

(November 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: OK I try to stay objective, lol. Look man, you're not making any fucking sense nor do you have a point. I was being charitable because rhythm can take it and you need it.

Learn to use words.

Wow, because giving charity is sooo objective.

Give me a proper refutation. Learn to use arguments.

I'm not interested in debating you. You're a little too silly for my taste. 

Glad someone is,  though. This is entertaining. 

I said I try. That gif was about you getting owned all over. I'm generally not so involved lol.