(November 7, 2016 at 5:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: {more of the same pretentious blather}

I was right -- You don't have what it takes to apologize.

Everytime Rik goes a 12 hour span without popping in to tell someone they just don't get it, I start to worry that karma may have gotten him. He's sort of a fixture of consistency for me...it's nice to have those in life. LIke the doorknob at your parents house. It;s the same doorknob, it;s always been the same doorknob. If I went down there today...it would be there...next yuear, still gonna be the same doorknob. It;s comforting, I guess, and in a sense gives you at least one thing you're always going to be right about. No matter when you pop in, the doorknob is going to be the same doorknob you remember from last time.

(November 7, 2016 at 7:18 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 7, 2016 at 4:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: A student has faith in passing the exams.
A worker to be promoted to a better job.
Some atheists have faith that nobody create and run the universe.
I also have faith that God exist and run the universe.
Religious people have faith in their dogmas and so on.

You're equivocating different connotations of faith, and it does your "point" no good.  Are you really saying that your faith in your god is no stronger than the belief of a student that he'll do well in an exam?

If that's the case, I'd say firstly that you should look at the different meanings attached to "faith", and after that, perhaps you should look at the depth of the faith you claim to hold ... because let's face it, we've all known (or been, for that matter) students who have faith in being able to pass a test, only to learn upon grading that that faith was misplaced.

(Bold mine)

You're equivocating and deduce that I think that all type of faith must be good and that faith will lead to grasp the object of our desires.

A thief has faith that he will succeed in stealing or a killer in killing.

I never said that all faith is good.
You deduce that so you are wrong.
All I said is that everybody have faith in something and that's it.  

(November 7, 2016 at 5:08 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(November 7, 2016 at 5:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: {more of the same pretentious blather}

I was right -- You don't have what it takes to apologize.

Apologize for knocking down your new belief?  

Stoicism in this instance?  

Yes, I am very very sorry for putting you down once again.  

(yellow-cards Little Rik for a tu quoque fallacy)

Might I also suggest that you work on your reading comprehension? I don't see any explicit reference to "good" in the material you quoted from Thumpalumpacus, and in any case it is irrelevant. Some people have faith that "karma" will cause terrible things to happen to someone they dislike, which in many cases may not be a good thing at all.

The actual equivocation is this:

Religious faith: Belief that is generally (but not always) grounded in imagination, wishful thinking, or scriptural "promises" of an unproven deity, in the absence of evidence.

versus

Confidence: Belief that is grounded in personal experience, such as demonstrated ability to perform well on previous tests, or recurring phenomena such as the cycle of day and night, winter to spring.

It's misleading to call them both "faith," which is why I personally prefer the word "confidence." I have no faith whatsoever in your god, but plenty of confidence that I can get to work on time or bake a batch of brownies or use a power saw.

(November 8, 2016 at 5:43 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(November 7, 2016 at 5:08 pm)Astreja Wrote: I was right -- You don't have what it takes to apologize.

Apologize for knocking down your new belief?  

Stoicism in this instance?  

Yes, I am very very sorry for putting you down once again.  

That is not an apology, and you will not get a second chance.  Ever.

(November 8, 2016 at 5:54 am)Astreja Wrote: (yellow-cards Little Rik for a tu quoque fallacy)

Might I also suggest that you work on your reading comprehension?  I don't see any explicit reference to "good" in the material you quoted from Thumpalumpacus, and in any case it is irrelevant.  Some people have faith that "karma" will cause terrible things to happen to someone they dislike, which in many cases may not be a good thing at all.

The actual equivocation is this:

Religious faith:  Belief that is generally (but not always) grounded in imagination, wishful thinking, or scriptural "promises" of an unproven deity, in the absence of evidence.

versus

Confidence:  Belief that is grounded in personal experience, such as demonstrated ability to perform well on previous tests, or recurring phenomena such as the cycle of day and night, winter to spring.

It's misleading to call them both "faith," which is why I personally prefer the word "confidence."  I have no faith whatsoever in your god, but plenty of confidence that I can get to work on time or bake a batch of brownies or use a power saw.

Confidence without faith is nothing but you can always try to separate one another.  
My advise is that it will be very difficult.  

Is a bit like trying to separate potatoes and spinach from inside a boiling pot.  

Good luck with that Astr.  

(November 8, 2016 at 5:57 am)Astreja Wrote:

(November 8, 2016 at 5:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: Apologize for knocking down your new belief?  

Stoicism in this instance?  

Yes, I am very very sorry for putting you down once again.  

That is not an apology, and you will not get a second chance.  Ever.

Gee, that is a big loss.  

I just hope you will reconsider your tough decision.  

(November 8, 2016 at 5:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: (Bold mine)

You're equivocating and deduce that I think that all type of faith must be good and that faith will lead to grasp the object of our desires.

No, I'm not. I'd suggest you go find a decent dictionary of philosophy, or at least a good listing of logical fallacies such as Nizkor, and look up "equivocation" before we continue the discussion. Matter of fact, I'm really going to insist upon it, because of the many different sorts of unintelligent people that irk me, the willfully ignorant irk me most.

Now go look it up and see how you misused the term in the sentence above. I'll wait.

(November 8, 2016 at 5:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: A thief has faith that he will succeed in stealing or a killer in killing.

... aaaaaand, you're doing it again.

(November 8, 2016 at 5:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: I never said that all faith is good.
You deduce that so you are wrong.

While you're at Nizkor, make sure you look up "strawman" too. The only thing that I've deduced so far is that you're not very bright, but have a lot of emotional energy invested in appearing so ("didn't think of that" really gives the last part away).

(November 8, 2016 at 5:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: All I said is that everybody have faith in something and that's it.  

And the only thing I said is that you're equivocating different connotations of the word "faith". I'm pretty sure English is not your first language, so I can accept that you may not understand what I just wrote, but to put it simply, in English, a word can have more than one meaning, or multiple shadings of meanings.

I'm not going to carry this discussion any further until you look up and understand equivocation and strawman, so go on and get that out of the way, eh, kid?

(November 8, 2016 at 9:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: I just hope you will reconsider your tough decision.

No, it was a very easy decision.  Thank you, by the way, for being a wonderful role model -- of something I never want to be.

/recuses self from thread and puts Little Rik on ignore list