(June 10, 2011 at 6:55 am)Darwinian Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 6:51 am)Andrastos Wrote: To contact Him, all we need do is have a soul longing for His Love, and, if that longing is sincere and we have a desire to experience emotions, then our Father’s Love will flow into us.

This is the problem though isn't it? How can we sincerely have a soul longing for his love if we don't believe he exists in the first place? At best we would have to pretend and by your standards that simply wouldn't work.

Yes this is a massive problem, was for me too!
But God did design every Soul with a spark for that desire that one can grow!
It is that spark that all man have that created religion in the first place, "seek out God!"
Our belief systems are in our Soul, they enter us with an emotion attached to it, once in the Soul it is very hard to unravel them!
Common beliefs of God are tied up with all the irrational beliefs we faced with growing up! There is a lot of anger, fear, and mistrust and resentment associated with it!
For example, myself I hated God, and I did not really believe in him because of the Christian faith, also my father was brought up in boarding school and he was very poorly treated by the nuns, so I adopted his emotions from a child! He hates the thought of God!
I had to release a lot of anger by expressing it, and it was deep!
Took me nearly 2 months to get passed that, anger came up I never felt before! Been in my Soul all my life! Had to experience it all, without projecting it to others!
But now I can talk about God without a problem! Actually I feel proud to talk of her! And that is very new for me, Hance being here now!

(June 10, 2011 at 6:51 am)Andrastos Wrote: LOL I don't support "the Secret!"
It doesnt really work that well! But it is the start to understanding something about the Law of Attraction!

What evidence is there to support the existence of such a law?

(June 10, 2011 at 7:40 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 6:51 am)Andrastos Wrote: LOL I don't support "the Secret!"
It doesnt really work that well! But it is the start to understanding something about the Law of Attraction!

What evidence is there to support the existence of such a law?

If he starts sending you PMs, you'll regret asking that.

(June 10, 2011 at 6:37 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 6:25 am)Andrastos Wrote: Same as the Soul, you’re feeling the effects of it but you can't see it, yet! 24/7

What effects are you referring to?

(June 10, 2011 at 6:25 am)Andrastos Wrote: Law of attraction is not mind based as “The Secret” suggests, but emotional based!
I’m not sure if you herd about “The Secret”
“The Secret has been passed down through the ages... coveted, hidden, lost, stolen, bought for vast sums of money, and known by some of the most exceptional people who ever lived: Plato, Galileo, Da Vinci, Beethoven, Edison, and Einstein, to name but a few.
The Secret book reveals how you can change every aspect of your life. You can turn any weakness or suffering into strength, power, unlimited abundance, health and joy.
Everything is possible, nothing is impossible. There are no limits. Whatever you can dream of can be yours, when you use The Secret.”

It is up to you though really, that is the beauty of all this, you need nothing else, just your intention.

It’s a Soul intention too, not just a thought, you must REALLY want it!

I REALLY want a cookie to spontaneously form on my desk right now.


OH MY IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, THE SECRET IS TRUE!
Spoiler:

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The cookie is a lie

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"What effects are you referring to?"

Resentment of religious views
Racism in general
Fear of death
Fear of getting old
Fear of pain
Love for music
Love for art
Love for Love
Grief of lost ones
Greif of seeing the forests destroyed
Greif of war
Grief of seeing the slaughter of whales
Greif of seeing others in grief
Compassion for others when they feel pain
Anger of stupidity

I could list a infinite amount effects of the soul! Not possible but you get my point

These are just the basic affects, I’m sure most can affiliate with some

Actually the human Soul is designed to affect everything around us, in a way i'm still trying to get my head around!

Look at the mess in the world that is the effect of the collective Soul condition of man!
We almost wiped ourselves out 3 times in the last century
We are in a very bad condition collectively and we are killing our earth at a frightening rate!

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(June 10, 2011 at 7:40 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 6:51 am)Andrastos Wrote: LOL I don't support "the Secret!"
It doesnt really work that well! But it is the start to understanding something about the Law of Attraction!

What evidence is there to support the existence of such a law?

I have no evidence I can give like this but I assure you once one gains an understanding of the real Law of Attraction it will be obvious, as you can look at your passed life experiences and it would just make sense!
And that would be about a 4-10 hour discussion, do get you head around it!
If you really have an honest desire to know more, I can provide you with a link!
As I all ready cut and past and Sir got mad!
Just ask if you do!

(June 10, 2011 at 8:04 am)Andrastos Wrote: "What effects are you referring to?"

Resentment of religious views
Racism in general
Fear of death
Fear of getting old
Fear of pain
Love for music
Love for art
Love for Love
Grief of lost ones
Greif of seeing the forests destroyed
Greif of war
Grief of seeing the slaughter of whales
Greif of seeing others in grief
Compassion for others when they feel pain
Anger of stupidity

All these have been linked to chemical reactions in the brain. Like love for example: Chemicals responsible for love - testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, and vasopressin.

Neuroscience explains in detail how we feel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affective_neuroscience

What do you have to say that it has any connection with this "soul" you speak of?

(June 10, 2011 at 8:33 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 8:04 am)Andrastos Wrote: "What effects are you referring to?"

Resentment of religious views
Racism in general
Fear of death
Fear of getting old
Fear of pain
Love for music
Love for art
Love for Love
Grief of lost ones
Greif of seeing the forests destroyed
Greif of war
Grief of seeing the slaughter of whales
Greif of seeing others in grief
Compassion for others when they feel pain
Anger of stupidity

All these have been linked to chemical reactions in the brain. Like love for example: Chemicals responsible for love - testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, and vasopressin.

Neuroscience explains in detail how we feel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affective_neuroscience

What do you have to say that it has any connection with this "soul" you speak of?

These are found is many other animals, Insects, reptiles, mammals. They have many applications!
God is one smart dude/dudet hey, almost impossible to think all this was Created by an intelligent being, although if she is infinite, he's had a while to learn!
God knows how long!

I give you something else to marinade on: Anything that has a central nervous system, also has a spirit body!
Ever had a pet that died that you REALLY loved and still Love? well if so, it will be waiting for you too after you pass!

(June 10, 2011 at 10:17 am)Andrastos Wrote: Anything that has a central nervous system, also has a spirit body!
Ever had a pet that died that you REALLY loved and still Love? well if so, it will be waiting for you too after you pass!

Prove it.

(June 10, 2011 at 6:56 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 6:25 am)Andrastos Wrote: You can see the effects of the wind, but you can't see the wind!
You can see the effects of gravity but you can't see it!
Yet these to facts exist and we never question it, generally, it just is!

Same as the Soul, you’re feeling the effects of it but you can't see it, yet! 24/7

I think you can only demonstrate it to yourself, other than what is already obvious!

When I see weakness, I pounce!

Quote:You can see the effects of the wind, but you can't see the wind!

Wrong, we can see the wind. We can detect air molecules. We can observe, measure, repeat and verify it.
That's 1 for Ace 0 for Andy.

Quote:You can see the effects of gravity but you can't see it!

Gravity can be measured and verified. Thanks to our ever growing understanding of mass.
That's 2 for Ace 0 for Andy.

Quote:Yet these to facts exist and we never question it, generally, it just is!

They are not questioned because they have already been verified and confirmed. Unlike your god and soul beliefs.
3 for Ace now.

Quote:Same as the Soul, you’re feeling the effects of it but you can't see it, yet! 24/7

No, I'm feeling the effects of chemical reactions going off in my brain. This can be observed, measured, repeated and verified.
That's 4 now.

Quote:I think you can only demonstrate it to yourself, other than what is already obvious!

Demonstration in your words, but what you're saying is just assume it has something to do with a soul....
Do you have another method to demonstrate the existence of souls? Other than out right baseless assumptions?

Want a cup'o tea old chap?

I was going to mention that we do have instruments to measure them! For this reason!
If you want to believe you a souless person you can do so, it's your choice!
I will have a cup of tea actually!

(June 10, 2011 at 10:57 am)Andrastos Wrote: I was going to mention that we do have instruments to measure them! For this reason!
If you want to believe you a souless person you can do so, it's your choice!
I will have a cup of tea actually!

So, prayer is your method of measurement? Good luck with that.
Also it's not that I don't want to believe in souls. I am in the sole interest for what is real. There is no evidence for the existence 'souls'. There for I have rejected such beliefs.

From my point of view with science in mind. There is no such thing as a god, soul or afterlife. Unless you can prove that there are such beings and places?
Always remember, you could be wrong.

(June 10, 2011 at 11:11 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(June 10, 2011 at 10:57 am)Andrastos Wrote: I was going to mention that we do have instruments to measure them! For this reason!
If you want to believe you a souless person you can do so, it's your choice!
I will have a cup of tea actually!

So, prayer is your method of measurement?

My method of measurement in the Joy, happiness, Love, contentedness I feel growing ever stronger!
Let me give you an example what a prayer really is: if you’re walking down the street and you see an old lady struggling, and you feel compassion for her, even if you can't help. This is what prayer really is, it's an emotion you project of love and compassion for anyone anywhere!

Something else for you to ponder: Every time you sleep, your spirit body separates from your material body and enters the spirit world! You have two types of experiences in your sleep, one is dreams and one is actually sleep state experiences! Ever had a "dream" that felt was really real, good chance it was!
Dreams are designed to help you realize what emotions you are denying! And so need to deal with! Ever had a bad dream, well that emotion you feel about it wants to come out of you, a lot of people try to intellectualize dreams, no need, just feel them!