(November 14, 2016 at 10:07 am)Edward John Wrote: I am desperate to convert you. How does the fact that people try to disprove the existence of some god prove that said god exists? Becuase their intentions are immoral and evil so that they can indulge in sin. Like you do when you watch porn and keep ignoring God all the while his watching you.

Who said we had to try? You're the one making the positive claim that a god exists. Personally I'm one of the few atheists that strongly believe that your god does not exist rather than merely claiming that there is no evidence for it. This is because the very concept of a god is logically inconsistent, can't be unequivocably defined and we have evidence for alternative and simpler explanations for everything that theists claim their god is responsible for.

But see what I am doing here? Referring to evidence. Theists would also use evidence if there was any. But there isn't So they have to concoct some meaningless statements laid out as if they were some kind of logical proof.

(November 14, 2016 at 10:10 am)Edward John Wrote: Lying for Satan?

Satan does not exist.

(November 14, 2016 at 10:20 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 10:07 am)Edward John Wrote: I am desperate to convert you. How does the fact that people try to disprove the existence of some god prove that said god exists? Becuase their intentions are immoral and evil so that they can indulge in sin. Like you do when you watch porn and keep ignoring God all the while his watching you.

Who said we had to try? You're the one making the positive claim that a god exists. Personally I'm one of the few atheists that strongly believe that your god does not exist rather than merely claiming that there is no evidence for it. This is because the very concept of a god is logically inconsistent, can't be unequivocably defined and we have evidence for alternative and simpler explanations for everything that theists claim their god is responsible for.

But see what I am doing here? Referring to evidence. Theists would also use evidence if there was any. But there isn't So they have to concoct some meaningless statements laid out as if they were some kind of logical proof.

I'm with ya but you're making it difficult for the presbyopic.

(November 14, 2016 at 10:25 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 10:20 am)Mathilda Wrote:

Who said we had to try? You're the one making the positive claim that a god exists. Personally I'm one of the few atheists that strongly believe that your god does not exist rather than merely claiming that there is no evidence for it. This is because the very concept of a god is logically inconsistent, can't be unequivocably defined and we have evidence for alternative and simpler explanations for everything that theists claim their god is responsible for.

But see what I am doing here? Referring to evidence. Theists would also use evidence if there was any. But there isn't So they have to concoct some meaningless statements laid out as if they were some kind of logical proof.

I'm with ya but you're making it difficult for the presbyopic.

Sorry, just trying to show Edward John how annoying it is to change fonts.

(November 14, 2016 at 10:07 am)Edward John Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 10:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: It sounds like you're desperate.
How does the fact that people try to disprove the existence of some god prove that said god exists?

Not to mention that no one is trying to disprove the existence of that god...
We're just telling you that you haven't proven that it exists.

But POE away with your big fonts and stuff...

I am desperate to convert you. How does the fact that people try to disprove the existence of some god prove that said god exists? Becuase their intentions are immoral and evil so that they can indulge in sin. Like you do when you watch porn and keep ignoring God all the while his watching you.

A word of advice, then: stop using the big fonts!
Another, our intentions are not immoral. If you pay attention, we are trying our best to be intellectually honest, to remove any emotional bias from the result of our investigations in the matter at hand.

I could care less for sin. Tell me, how am I sinning, if there is no god?

As for my porn watching, it has nothing to do with god, as is evident by the statistics on worldwide internet porn consumption, placing a large per capita consumption in the Vatican City. Or maybe I just watch much less than the Vatican priests.

We are not trying to disprove gods existence, we simply ask for proof of it, not the same thing at all. I don't spend my time trying to disprove goblins but if someone says they have seen one I would ask for proof.
I don't believe in any gods, not zeus, thor, odin, ra, quetzalcoatl, yahweh, or Jehovah for the same reason I don't believe in pixies, fairies or goblins

(November 14, 2016 at 9:55 am)Edward John Wrote: there is really no point for me to keep on repeating the arguments for God, over and over again.

We agree on that much. At the very least, find something better than the shit you've been flinging so far.

(November 14, 2016 at 10:07 am)Edward John Wrote: I am desperate to convert you.

*giggle* *smirk* Oh, how I love the desperation and angst of a flailing god-botherer.

I guarantee that you, mortal, are powerless to convert Me to your sad little dead-rabbi-on-a-stick religion.  It's considerably more likely, in fact, that I could cause you to have naughty nightmares of the Queen of Heaven pole-dancing in a demonic stripper bar.  (Mary is, after all, just a spayed version of the goddess Astarte -- The Queen of Hubba Hubba.)

Furthermore, as you are specifically promoting Catholicism -- a cult directly responsible for attempted cultural genocide in 11th century Norway, where My mother's family hails from -- I think that you should empty your bank account, sell everything you own, and send Me the money as weregild.

Alternatively, you could try talking Pope Frankie into selling off one of those near-empty churches and sending Me the proceeds.  (Normally I'd ask for the land and building, then gut it and turn it into a coffee shop, but I'm kind of busy this fall so I'll take the cash instead.)

If there's a God, it's welcome to inform me in a way that compels my belief. If it's real, I want to know. The right words from a particular person would do it, I set the bar low deliberately. If an omnipotent being wants me to believe in it, it would be trivial to effect my belief. If there is such a being, it clearly doesn't care whether I believe in it enough to take an effortless action (because omnipotence) to secure my belief. If there's a God that doesn't care whether I believe in it, why should I care if it's real?

Edward John Wrote:

pocaracas Wrote:It sounds like you're desperate.
How does the fact that people try to disprove the existence of some god prove that said god exists?

Not to mention that no one is trying to disprove the existence of that god...
We're just telling you that you haven't proven that it exists.

But POE away with your big fonts and stuff...

I am desperate to convert you.

Have you considered praying for the wisdom to formulate a post that skeptics would find persuasive?

Edward John Wrote: How does the fact that people try to disprove the existence of some god prove that said god exists? Becuase their intentions are immoral and evil so that they can indulge in sin. Like you do when you watch porn and keep ignoring God all the while his watching you.

There's a classic ad hominem fallacy in there, reasoning that the argument fails because the people making it have some flaw. No matter how flawed the person, an argument must stand or fall on its own merit. There's also a non sequitur, since it does not follow from people trying to disprove the existence of God, that God exists. If I tried to disprove the existence of three-eyed leprechauns and completely failed to do so; it would in no way imply that three-eyed leprechauns are real.

Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:Are you low-vision or in the 3rd grade?

Edward John Wrote:Lying for Satan?

Gawdzilla Sama was literally asking if there is something wrong with your vision that justifies you using such ridiculously large font. There's no universe in which his question could be a lie.