(November 14, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Opoponax Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 2:33 am)robvalue Wrote: If a creator exists, the probability of it bearing any resemblance to this ridiculous humanoid projection is next to zero in my estimation. I'm sure whatever it is would find these stories pretty insulting, yet surprised people worship it regardless.

I would expect the creator to be unaware of our existence at all, much less the fact that we are self-aware. That's if the creator even realises they created all this in the first place, and it isn't an accidental side-effect of some process or other in its own reality.

Yeah, this^. 

I'll add that I'd give a Creator of Everything a helluva lot more credit than the petty, vengeful beast(s) found in the Bible. The idea that it's obsessed with what what we do with our genitals, how we combine certain foods, and that if we fail to abide by those rules that it'll punish us forever----or that our reward for abiding by those rules is to worship it forever is profoundly silly. 

...And what if those 'rules' were a reflection of a greater purpose or a greater understanding?

What if those petty rules were a simplified version of some pretty heavy stuff, that if we can not be faithful to the small God wants us no where around on a universal scale?

Ever put your kid in charge of something petty (like a gold fish or an ant farm) just to see what they do with the 'power?' Just to see if they would be responsible with something larger like a cat or dog?

Again is it so far out of your wheel house you can't equate us in all of our foolish glory, being nothing more than simple children to God?

Quote:But assuming such a thing is eternal, if it did create humans for the specific purpose of worshipping it, it appears that it was just a phase it was going through and has moved on to other things. 

...and if 'worship' wasn't on the menu from the beginning?

Quote:Or maybe it graduated Middle School For Gods and has been sent away to a boarding school in Sweden for Gods or something like that. It's just as possible as anything else.

or maybe your the one in school and you are not studying for the final exam.

Did delusionalrich just prove that the god is man made?

Edit: re post #10

(November 14, 2016 at 2:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 2:33 am)robvalue Wrote: If a creator exists, the probability of it bearing any resemblance to this ridiculous humanoid projection is next to zero in my estimation. I'm sure whatever it is would find these stories pretty insulting, yet surprised people worship it regardless.

I would expect the creator to be unaware of our existence at all, much less the fact that we are self-aware. That's if the creator even realises they created all this in the first place, and it isn't an accidental side-effect of some process or other in its own reality.

Glob...

ever watch start trek? TOS? Or even TNG or really any of it. What about star wars?

Even notice how everyone for the most part are human-ish/Based on two arms torso, two legs, one head and a pair of hands and feet?

Ever notice how when we imagine a robot it basically looks like us as well?

Albeit imaginary, our natural inclination is to 'create' things or beings we look like/can relate to. Star trek and even star wars is Humanity's version of a created universe, and even so it is populated with human like creatures despite darwins aversion to the likelihood of a galaxy fill with human type beings.

So then why oh why is it so implausible in your great 'thinker' that God would not also do the same?

Because it is more plausible to know we did exactly what you mentioned in the few lines before your last question. Storytelling is something that us Humans have been doing for a long time. Every deity and their mythology has been created by man. There is no reason for you to believe yours is any different.

(November 14, 2016 at 2:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Glob...

ever watch start trek? TOS? Or even TNG or really any of it. What about star wars?

Even notice how everyone for the most part are human-ish/Based on two arms torso, two legs, one head and a pair of hands and feet?

Ever notice how when we imagine a robot it basically looks like us as well?

Albeit imaginary, our natural inclination is to 'create' things or beings we look like/can relate to. Star trek and even star wars is Humanity's version of a created universe, and even so it is populated with human like creatures despite darwins aversion to the likelihood of a galaxy fill with human type beings.

So then why oh why is it so implausible in your great 'thinker' that God would not also do the same?

And you were doing so well until that last sentence. Fell at the final fence.

(November 14, 2016 at 2:23 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Opoponax Wrote: Yeah, this^. 

I'll add that I'd give a Creator of Everything a helluva lot more credit than the petty, vengeful beast(s) found in the Bible. The idea that it's obsessed with what what we do with our genitals, how we combine certain foods, and that if we fail to abide by those rules that it'll punish us forever----or that our reward for abiding by those rules is to worship it forever is profoundly silly. 

...And what if those 'rules' were a reflection of a greater purpose or a greater understanding?

What if those petty rules were a simplified version of some pretty heavy stuff, that if we can not be faithful to the small God wants us no where around on a universal scale?

Ever put your kid in charge of something petty (like a gold fish or an ant farm) just to see what they do with the 'power?' Just to see if they would be responsible with something larger like a cat or dog?

Again is it so far out of your wheel house you can't equate us in all of our foolish glory, being nothing more than simple children to God?

Quote:But assuming such a thing is eternal, if it did create humans for the specific purpose of worshipping it, it appears that it was just a phase it was going through and has moved on to other things. 

...and if 'worship' wasn't on the menu from the beginning?

Quote:Or maybe it graduated Middle School For Gods and has been sent away to a boarding school in Sweden for Gods or something like that. It's just as possible as anything else.

or maybe your the one in school and you are not studying for the final exam.

What if WHATEVER. Hardly seems a reasonable basis on which to believe in something that won't simply show up and say "Look at me, I'm really here!" 

And if we're such simpletons, how can we possible be expected to divine The Truth out of a very old book that espouses some lovely things, but also so many awful things as well? And all with no evidence to back it up. And I know you claim to not see any contradictions, so I won't bother arguing with you on that, the same as I don't find any sense in arguing with one who believes gravity on this planet is optional. 

As far as being a student goes, I've done my homework. That's what you and so many like you seem to assume: that if we just read it and listened then we'd see the light. Well, guess what; I've read most of the Bible. I was brought up in a Christian household and I'm a former believer. When I began to doubt the existence of the god I was brought up to believe, I really went to work looking for Him. And I never found Him. I spent countless hours reading both on my own and in formal study, learning the academic arguments for and against God, and thinking and discussing the subject, and at the end, the only reasonable conclusion I came to was that there are no gods. 

And the thing is, I'm still open to it. If some piece of evidence were to come along that was quite convincing, I'd believe. But there isn't. If there is a god, I really hope that it expects us to use our minds and come to our own conclusions based on hard, thoughtful work. A thing with that much power surely can't want creatures that amount to obedient farm animals. What a small god that would be. And what a cruel god it would be to punish its uncomprehending creation for all of eternity for using the only thing that makes us unique.

I'm sorry, but your god and its book just don't stand up.

A God that needs help from the likes of Drich to get noticed at all isn't very high on my list of concerns.

(November 14, 2016 at 2:45 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 14, 2016 at 2:17 pm)Drich Wrote: Glob...

ever watch start trek? TOS? Or even TNG or really any of it. What about star wars?

Even notice how everyone for the most part are human-ish/Based on two arms torso, two legs, one head and a pair of hands and feet?

Ever notice how when we imagine a robot it basically looks like us as well?

Albeit imaginary, our natural inclination is to 'create' things or beings we look like/can relate to. Star trek and even star wars is Humanity's version of a created universe, and even so it is populated with human like creatures despite darwins aversion to the likelihood of a galaxy fill with human type beings.

So then why oh why is it so implausible in your great 'thinker' that God would not also do the same?

And you were doing so well until that last sentence. Fell at the final fence.

only if you strip out the context that had buddy concede god, but not a god we look like..

Nope, try again.

Hey, dripshit....your fucking 'god' claimed that he made us in "his own image."    Please read your bullshit bible before continuing to make an ass out of yourself.

This is kind of how I envision you.....



Some fucking god!

Quote: Either I think up an idea, or, tomorrow, we meet our maker -- in my case, God; in your case, God knows ... but I'd be surprised if he won any design awards.

Quote:As we all know God made man in his own image. It would be a sad look out for christians around the globe if God looked anything like you, Baldrick.