(November 15, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Let's see a citation for that Neo, just so we're clear on exactly what were talking about.

If you doubt that uninsured illegal immigrants are using the emergency rooms and don't believe they send their kids to public schools then you wouldn't believe any "citations".

If that's all you want to discuss, from your previous laundry list of complaints...I'll just tell you that the other option is letting them die on the streets. Or sentencing children to illiteracy based upon the sins of the father - and boy oh boy I bet we spend a -ton- of money on schooling them...that's how they get such a quality education, lol. They are, ofc, still contributing billions, -helping to create- the social safety net that they do not get to enjoy except in instances where it;s just too glaringly obvious that we'd have to be monstrous pieces of shit to deny them the scraps we afford. Let's ignore that.


 Sounds like the sort of thing that would Make America Great Again to me, how about you?

(November 15, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Again with the whole sob story rhetoric. Unless you can explain why people born in poor families in poor countries should have more rights than people who follow the legal process, you aren't exactly winning me over.

More rights or just equal rights? Who's arguing for more rights here?

As I said at the start, it's not a black and white issue. You're a desirable because you are a trained person from the first world. Others don't start out that way. I believe you when you say you worked hard for your citizenship, but there are people who face impossible odds going through the legal challenges.

I'm not arguing for keeping each and every illegal. What I'm arguing for is for taking a good hard look at what particular illegals have contributed to society so far and how well they are integrated in the time they have spent in any given country.

The ugha, bugha, deport them all approach is simply serving populous instincts. Deporting them all, is simply inhumane, if children come into the mix, it's also stupid, since it put economy at risk. The last number I have, there are probably more recent by now, is illegals contributing about 11 billions in taxes without getting anything out of the system. And they fill jobs noone else is willing to take. I would actually like for someone taking the approach of wholsale deportation and look at the faces of Joe or Jane Doe suddenly scrubbing the toilets or toiling the fields in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico.

(November 15, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: If you doubt that uninsured illegal immigrants are using the emergency rooms and don't believe they send their kids to public schools then you wouldn't believe any "citations".

What kids? The kids already born in the USA, hence being citizens or their "illegal" kids?

(November 15, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Let's see a citation for that Neo, just so we're clear on exactly what were talking about.

If you doubt that uninsured illegal immigrants are using the emergency rooms and don't believe they send their kids to public schools then you wouldn't believe any "citations".

I don't doubt either claim. However, I would like to see a good source on the percentage of these children of illegal immigrants who were born here. You know, citizens. I assume you don't have a problem with educating children born in the U.S., regardless of their parents' status?

(November 15, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: If you doubt that uninsured illegal immigrants are using the emergency rooms and don't believe they send their kids to public schools then you wouldn't believe any "citations".

I don't doubt either claim. However, I would like to see a good source on the percentage of these children of illegal immigrants who were born here. You know, citizens. I assume you don't have a problem with educating children born in the U.S., regardless of their parents' status?

No I do not have a problem with that. I would like to see birthplace citizenship eliminated though. It is a legacy of slavery that served its purpose and no other Western country of which I am aware confers citizenship that way.

(November 15, 2016 at 4:00 pm)abaris Wrote: More rights or just equal rights? Who's arguing for more rights here?

You are. You're arguing that the poor of other countries should get a pass from following the rules that other immigrants follow.

(November 15, 2016 at 4:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: You are. You're arguing that the poor of other countries should get a pass from following the rules that other immigrants follow.

No, and if you still have two braincells to rub together you might even notice. Reread and reevaluate what I said.

(November 15, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: I don't doubt either claim. However, I would like to see a good source on the percentage of these children of illegal immigrants who were born here. You know, citizens. I assume you don't have a problem with educating children born in the U.S., regardless of their parents' status?

No I do not have a problem with that. I would like to see birthplace citizenship eliminated though. It is a legacy of slavery that served its purpose and no other Western country of which I am aware confers citizenship that way.

Amen brother.  Then we can deport all those citizens you're super pissy about educating, for reasons™.

(November 15, 2016 at 5:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: No I do not have a problem with that. I would like to see birthplace citizenship eliminated though. It is a legacy of slavery that served its purpose and no other Western country of which I am aware confers citizenship that way.

Amen brother.  Then we can deport all those citizens you're super pissy about educating, for reasons™.

I could be wrong. Maybe undocumented foreign nationals are a benefit to the economy, etc. etc. In the end it doesn't really matter to you what I believe. All you care about is labeling people who disagree with you as racist.

(November 15, 2016 at 5:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I could be wrong. Maybe undocumented foreign nationals are a benefit to the economy, etc. etc. In the end it doesn't really matter to you what I believe. All you care about is labeling people who disagree with you as racist.

I don't call all of them racist. Racist or bigot is a title to be deserved. Would you go with ignorant? The numbers are in the public domain. Such as American illegals contributing 11 billions in taxes without getting anything out. Such as them doing jobs no American would do.

Same in every country. It's just a populous instinct to call for all of them being deported. And as I said, I'd almost wish for someone to be true to that promise. Let's see how the people reacts when certain services are no longer available or cost ever so much more. Let's see where they get the tax money from when all the money illegals contributed are no longer available.