(November 22, 2016 at 8:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: Computers don't run on electricity because "THOR DID IT".

Tell that to Vision.

(November 22, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 22, 2016 at 5:29 pm)The Joker Wrote: I'd say Family.

Great. Now we have a working definition. That would mean that, for example, dogs are the same 'kind' as coyotes, foxes and jackals; cats the same 'kind' as lions, tigers and leopards; horses the same 'kind' as zebras and donkeys; and humans are the same 'kind' as gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees and bonobos.

So they should all be able to interbreed, yes?

I as a creationist would agree to the point of the following.

Great. Now we have a working definition. That would mean that, for example, dogs are the same 'kind' as coyotes, foxes and jackals; cats the same 'kind' as lions, tigers and leopards; horses the same 'kind' as zebras and donkeys;

They are correct.

 and humans are the same 'kind' as gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees and bonobos.

But this I see no connection, Humans are far above them all, we are in the image of God, While unique in their own way, both humans and animals can have such features as eyes, noses, legs, and arms that point to our common Creator. It is the unique creation of mankind in the image of God that distinguishes us from all other creatures. This still-common idea is not in the slightest a proof of evolution. It is simply an assumption by those who reject creation. So what about the classifications? Well, Creationists gave Humans their very own classification.

• Class 1: Day six
  
• Class 2: Ground 
  
• Class 3: Image of God creature 
  
• Class 4: Human
  
• Class 5: Living
  
• Kind: Man
  
• Sub-kind 1: Mankind
  
• Sub-kind 2: Man
  

• Kingdom- Sons of God
  
• Phylum- The Image of God
  
• Class-Eternal Creature
  
• Order-Mankind
  
• Family -Human
  
• Genus -Man
  
• Species -Man
  

The Scientific Objections:

• The human brain possesses qualities  that have no parallel in the animal world. One consequence is man’s explicit mental capabilities.
  
• Man possesses the faculty of speech, and his creative communication by means of his vocal system is completely different from those of animals. He has the unique ability to pay attention to various matters at will; he has an inconceivably wide range of interests and observation, because it is possible to consider spatially and temporally remote objects; he is able to make abstractions and to use his system of signs for meta-lingual purposes.
  
• Only man is fully bipedal; he can walk upright because of the special structure of the spine. Thus, our hands are not required for locomotion and are available for other purposes.
  
• Only man is able to express emotions (e.g., joy, sadness, hope, laughter, shyness). Some animals seem to have similar abilities, but they cannot be compared with human emotions.
  

So they should all be able to interbreed, yes?

The rest of the animals may, but humans shall not interbreed with other animals for this would be a sin of Bestiality and damnation in Hell.

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(November 22, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 22, 2016 at 5:47 pm)The Joker Wrote: The Bible teaches a literal  6 day creation and because a day and kinds are not the same thing, Kinds are Gods classification of animals he created and I do not follow Secular modernist evolutionists. I look at everything from the biblical perspective.

Translation:

"No, the book MUST be right! It's reality that's wrong!"

But I see it the other way around.

Translation:

"No, man MUST be right! It's(Bible) reality that's right!"

What is the justification for agreeing with the taxonomic classification as long as it's convenient, then clutching the goddidit security blanket when reality starts tugging at it?

(November 22, 2016 at 6:31 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What is the justification for agreeing with the taxonomic classification as long as it's convenient, then clutching the goddidit security blanket when reality starts tugging at it?

Well it is more rational to say God did it, than to say God didn't do it. How can a single natural process could have created the universe?(Wheras God is all powerfull). How does that natural process happens to exist eternally? (Wheras God is eternal and does not need a cause) How did it know? What keeps it processing naturally? Where did it get its matter from? How can an unmind create a mind?(Only a greater mind can create a lesser mind)How can unlife create life? only Life can create Life and that is the law of biogenesis.

Dr. William B. Provine, Professor of Biological Sciences at Cornell University, said the following:

Quote:Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear . . . . There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either.

"God didn't do it" is not the atheist position. I'm sick of explaining this.

Everything else is an argument from ignorance and nothing whatsoever to do with evolution. As for your Provine quote, EvolutionWiki has this to say:

Quote:This is William Provine's view. It is not a scientific view, and it is not an inevitable outcome of evolution. It is the metaphysical view of one person on this matter. Evolution does not mean there is no life after death; if there is an impact on traditional ideas of life after death, perhaps the most difficult would be the possibility of animals other than humans sharing in the afterlife. As for ethics and an ultimate meaning to life, they are not contradicted by the theory of evolution. And free will, again, is a metaphysical debate having nothing to do with evolution. Provine is entitled to his views, but it seems he has made evolution into something it is not.

In other words, it's his personal opinion and not a scientific pronouncement. His credentials on this matter are irrelevant.

Joker, I know this is off topic, but why did you pick the name "Joker?"

(November 22, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Joker, I know this is off topic, but why did you pick the name "Joker?"

Because he's a troll,

Maybe it's his given name!

(November 22, 2016 at 6:26 pm)The Joker Wrote:

(November 22, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Translation:

"No, the book MUST be right! It's reality that's wrong!"

But I see it the other way around.

Translation:

"No, man MUST be right! It's(Bible) reality that's right!"

Haven't you learned yet that what you think is irrelevant; only what you can show to be true? Since the damnbible is 180° opposed to reality in every testable way, your worship of it is only going to lead you in the wrong direction every time. Throw the damn thing into a shredder, pick up a few textbooks by reputable scientists, and actually learn something.

He's just trolling us I think. How people get pleasure out of pretending to be ignorant, I don't know.