(November 20, 2016 at 2:04 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(November 20, 2016 at 10:25 am)Cato Wrote: I love it, atheist who doesn't believe in God due to the paucity of evidence immediately accepts election conspiracy without evidence.

If you read the article you'd see the evidence. But you'd rather live in fantasy land than believe your beloved far right party leaders are a bunch of traitors.

I'm not a frequent flier here, but I've been consistent in my displeasure with both candidates throughout the process. I didn't vote for Trump. I can't necessarily fault you for not knowing this, but you should drastically change the assumptions you've made about my political leanings. I simply asked for evidence to justify your assertions, something the article doesn't provide. Instead of providing evidence you re-assert with insult.

Regardless of who you liked or voted for, there are now some serious calls for a recount in 3 states. It is up to the Clinton campaign to do them or not, but this isn't some fabricated conspiracy theory. There is evidence that even aside from surgically precise voter supression, something is off.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/h...d=31471138

(November 22, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Aroura Wrote: Regardless of who you liked or voted for, there are now some serious calls for a recount in 3 states. It is up to the Clinton campaign to do them or not, but this isn't some fabricated conspiracy theory. There is evidence that even aside from surgically precise voter supression, something is off.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/h...d=31471138

I see this all over my Facebook feed. Not sure how big of a deal it actually will be

Krugman was losing his shit on Twitter over this. Will be a non-issue. Nate Silver and Nate Cohn have already debunked based on what little is known of the underlying analysis.

In case anybody thinks that the election wasn't stolen, when the anti-vaxxer can look at the evidence and realise there's a big problem, you have to start reevaluating your position yourself.

(November 22, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Aroura Wrote: Regardless of who you liked or voted for, there are now some serious calls for a recount in 3 states. It is up to the Clinton campaign to do them or not, but this isn't some fabricated conspiracy theory. There is evidence that even aside from surgically precise voter supression, something is off.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/h...d=31471138

Jill Stein raises over $2m to request US election recounts in battleground states

Can I just ask everyone to take a step back and breathe a bit? We can't simultaneously denigrate rubes for not adequately considering all available information to arrive at what we determine to be reasonable conclusions and then take hacking charges to the bank without vetting the claim.

Michigan is DOA since the entire state uses paper ballots. Wisconsin is a bit more nuanced, but easily dismissed in that the rural areas showing the disparity are not Clinton strongholds. The urban counties she did carry used paper ballots. I don't know enough to comment on PA, but understanding the claim and the other two states going down in flames makes me sceptical there as well.

My point is that some on the left are now displaying the same behavior that the right is denigrated for. It's also amusing to note that not long ago Trump was chastised for suggesting that the vote would be rigged and now the same people that bashed Trump's assertion are screaming that the vote was rigged.

I think it's because people have realized outrageous behavior has no consequences and in fact yields dividends.

Why play fair when the opponent wasn't fair to begin with?

Personally, I think the media is responsible - they made him a joke and jokes don't win. Just like Brexit was a joke. And they decided since Clinton won, they could entertain the same nonsense as the FBI - all which amounted to "Oh never mind".

Well, it demoralized some voters (who felt that since Clinton won and Trump would lose, they didn't have to vote) and energized others to protest vote.

I don't blame the genuine Trump voters for the above - they deserve blame for their candidate but not for the establishment's complete lunacy.

But WHAT IF?

What if it were to turn out Hillary won both the electoral and popular vote?

God, what a fucking nightmare for everyone. But would it be worse than a Trump Presidency?

However, a long delay in the official count isn't unprecedented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta...l_disputes

There have long been reasonable complaints about a city, district, state, etc. being called for a candidate when only a small fraction of votes have been counted. Maybe a new system where the vote tally won't be announced until literally all the votes have been counted should be implemented. People are way too impatient, but getting it right seems more important than instant gratification/disappointment. So maybe give counters a week to get it done.

I personally don't know what the best answer here is. It's certainly a lot easier to let it go and hope that a better candidate can bring out more voters next time. OTOH, an unqualified fuckpig is going to be POTUS.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: I think it's because people have realized outrageous behavior has no consequences and in fact yields dividends.

Why play fair when the opponent wasn't fair to begin with?

Personally, I think the media is responsible - they made him a joke and jokes don't win. Just like Brexit was a joke. And they decided since Clinton won, they could entertain the same nonsense as the FBI - all which amounted to "Oh never mind".

Well, it demoralized some voters (who felt that since Clinton won and Trump would lose, they didn't have to vote) and energized others to protest vote.

I don't blame the genuine Trump voters for the above - they deserve blame for their candidate but not for the establishment's complete lunacy.

[Emphasis mine]

But it wasn't.