(November 28, 2016 at 8:50 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:46 pm)KUSA Wrote: His body should be fed to swine while being filmed. The film should be played in every Muslim country with a warning.

Excellent idea.

And your calling him a monster

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(November 28, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:32 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: There is a difference between "happy he's gone" and "happy he's no longer a threat".

I am extremely happy that a monster like him is no longer alive.

If you have an issue with that, take it up with someone who cares.

I do weather you care or not

(November 28, 2016 at 8:55 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:50 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Excellent idea.

And your calling him a monster

I'm glad you can read.

Well done!

(November 28, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:55 pm)Orochi Wrote: And your calling him a monster

I'm glad you can read.

Well done!

Thank you

I'm sad your psychotic (perhaps more so then the shooter)

Poorly done

I don't think his body should be disrespected. I also don't think we should be happy he died versus just relieved the threat is eliminated. There is a difference between the 2. I think it's sad that he had to die. Justified as defense of the innocent, yes, but still sad that it had to happen.

However, when I hear of someone trying to commit mass murder, the first thing that pops into my mind is definitely NOT "I feel so sorry for him." I feel much more sorry for the victims and I feel angry at the attacker.

(November 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I'm glad you can read.

Well done!

Thank you

I'm sad your psychotic (perhaps more so then the shooter)

Poorly done

Really?

(November 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I'm glad you can read.

Well done!

Thank you

I'm sad your psychotic (perhaps more so then the shooter)

Poorly done

This I disagree with. I don't think Bell is more "psychotic" than someone who just tried to commit mass murder on an innocent group of people. I don't agree with Bell that the attacker's body should be disrespected, but saying Bell is more psychotic than him is just unreasonable.

(November 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm)Orochi Wrote: Thank you

I'm sad your psychotic (perhaps more so then the shooter)

Poorly done

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Fuck right off.

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(November 28, 2016 at 8:55 pm)Orochi Wrote: I do weather you care or not

Okay.

(November 28, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think his body should be disrespected. I also don't think we should be happy he died versus just relieved the threat is eliminated. There is a difference between the 2. I think it's sad that he had to die. Justified as defense of the innocent, yes, but still sad that it had to happen.

However, when I hear of someone trying to commit mass murder, the first thing that pops into my mind is definitely NOT "I feel so sorry for him." I feel much more sorry for the victims and I feel angry at the attacker.

I'm with you 100% right up until the last sentence. I think feeling angry at the attacker is natural and understandable. But I've gotten to the point where I try to resist the urge do that. I resist it for two reasons. First because me getting angry about it does nothing but make me feel bad. But second I resist anger because I've come to realize that almost everyone has a story and as often as not once that story is known and understood, it simply becomes much more difficult to hold as much anger.

Don't get me wrong. I am not excusing what this person did. I'm simply saying that in many cases there is a story that helps explain why the person did what they did and that why is often something much more complex than they were just a psychotic asshole. That person who did this was still a person. Was that person in need of help? Did that person seek that help only to be blocked from getting it? Tell me the whole story first. Then if its still warranted, I will get angry. 


All that aside if there is anything about this event that warrants anger without further investigation, it is quite possibly this. This person was a Somali refugee living here legally. If he accomplished nothing else today he most certainly single handedly insured that any push to block any future refugees from entering this country just got a metric shit ton more fuel. He may have thought he was targeting Americans, but he most definitely just skull fucked thousands of Syrian refugees.

(November 28, 2016 at 11:07 pm)johan Wrote:

(November 28, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think his body should be disrespected. I also don't think we should be happy he died versus just relieved the threat is eliminated. There is a difference between the 2. I think it's sad that he had to die. Justified as defense of the innocent, yes, but still sad that it had to happen.

However, when I hear of someone trying to commit mass murder, the first thing that pops into my mind is definitely NOT "I feel so sorry for him." I feel much more sorry for the victims and I feel angry at the attacker.

I'm with you 100% right up until the last sentence. I think feeling angry at the attacker is natural and understandable. But I've gotten to the point where I try to resist the urge do that. I resist it for two reasons. First because me getting angry about it does nothing but make me feel bad. But second I resist anger because I've come to realize that almost everyone has a story and as often as not once that story is known and understood, it simply becomes much more difficult to hold as much anger.

Don't get me wrong. I am not excusing what this person did. I'm simply saying that in many cases there is a story that helps explain why the person did what they did and that why is often something much more complex than they were just a psychotic asshole. That person who did this was still a person. Was that person in need of help? Did that person seek that help only to be blocked from getting it? Tell me the whole story first. Then if its still warranted, I will get angry. 


All that aside if there is anything about this event that warrants anger without further investigation, it is quite possibly this. This person was a Somali refugee living here legally. If he accomplished nothing else today he most certainly single handedly insured that any push to block any future refugees from entering this country just got a metric shit ton more fuel. He may have thought he was targeting Americans, but he most definitely just skull fucked thousands of Syrian refugees.

I get what you're saying, and I agree with the "love your enemies" stance. But I don't think that extends to not feeling angry about injustices. We can respect someone as a human being and even refrain from being judgmental of them, while still being angry for the horrible injustice they committed against innocent people.

Well then maybe I'm splitting hairs but what you suggested earlier was being angry at the person and what you're suggesting now is being angry at the act. One is not nearly the same as the other. And BTW, I'm not suggesting loving your enemies. I'm just suggesting taking the time to understand them before writing them off. Again, one is not the same as the other.

I mean case in point, look at the title of this thread. If we had taken the time to understand what was actually happening before reacting, this thread would not have the words active shooter in the title.