When you commit a violent crime like that and hurt someone to that extent, society needs to keep itself safe from you going out and doing it again to someone else.

I've been accused of a lot of things in life, but being a person with a lack of empathy isn't one of them.

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Also, comparing a prostitute being stoned to death to a violent criminal being kept behind bars is asinine.

Quote:prostitution is not a crime

Only in certain counties in Nevada.

Quote:Nevada is the only U.S. jurisdiction to allow some legal prostitution. Currently eight counties in Nevada have active brothels (these are all rural counties); as of June–July 2008 there were 28 legal brothels in Nevada.

(December 17, 2016 at 1:03 am)pool the great Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 12:41 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: prostitution is not a crime... well with some backward high nosed moralists it is, but in reality, most prostitutes are actually the victims. There should be no comparison whatsoever to an actual criminal

There's a story in Bible where Jesus saves a whore from being stoned to death. I heard about it in Sunday class. She apparently goes on to become some big deal. Jesus believed in forgiving people's Sins if they had genuine remorse for their sins and really wanted to be better.

OP describes such a person, someone that has genuine remorse for his bad deeds and wants to live his life as good as possible, ie, someone that's found Jesus, I was questioning CL's apparent lack of empathy for that person by comparing what Jesus would've done in that kind of situation.

Again, prostitution or adultery is not a crime, at least nowhere near comparable to a murder or bank robbery with brutal assault,
theological sin =/= crime
Crime should have real world consequences.


I know the story very well Pool, but what I am saying is they shouldn't be compared. Besides, if you really read it, it also highlights the degree of this particular sin as equal to normal person's sins, only one without sin may throw the first stone.

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(December 17, 2016 at 1:12 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:prostitution is not a crime

Only in certain counties in Nevada.

Quote:Nevada is the only U.S. jurisdiction to allow some legal prostitution. Currently eight counties in Nevada have active brothels (these are all rural counties); as of June–July 2008 there were 28 legal brothels in Nevada.

yes, maybe I should say "it shouldn't be a crime". This exists all over the world from ancient times, almost all of the ancient religions support woman abuse, yet somehow making a living out of it is somehow a punishable offense.

I agree that it should not be illegal to sell that which you can legally give away.

(December 17, 2016 at 12:15 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: I don't get what the dilemma here is...

If Jesus forgave the sinner should a christian president hold that sinner accountable? Aren't his sins washed away?

(December 17, 2016 at 6:30 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 12:15 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: I don't get what the dilemma here is...

If Jesus forgave the sinner should a christian president hold that sinner accountable? Aren't his sins washed away?

Again, forgiveness =/= no consequences in this world.

You commit a violent crime, you do the time to insure societal safety, regardless of whether or not you are forgiven by anyone. We are called to forgive all ppl, even if they are not sorry for what they have done. that doesn't mean we release dangerous ppl back into the street where they can continue to hurt other innocent ppl.

You're trying to spin this into some sort of hypocrisy when it's not.

(December 17, 2016 at 1:12 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:prostitution is not a crime

Only in certain counties in Nevada.

Quote:Nevada is the only U.S. jurisdiction to allow some legal prostitution. Currently eight counties in Nevada have active brothels (these are all rural counties); as of June–July 2008 there were 28 legal brothels in Nevada.

In the UK prostitution is legal, soliciting prostitution is illegal.

No.. and I agree with what CL has said.

If he is repentant of his crime, then he can go through the system like everyone else, and may qualify for an early parole.
I would also consider such a thing, an abuse of the office of president.

(December 17, 2016 at 10:40 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 6:30 am)chimp3 Wrote: If Jesus forgave the sinner should a christian president hold that sinner accountable? Aren't his sins washed away?

Again, forgiveness =/= no consequences in this world.

You commit a violent crime, you do the time to insure societal safety, regardless of whether or not you are forgiven by anyone. We are called to forgive all ppl, even if they are not sorry for what they have done. that doesn't mean we release dangerous ppl back into the street where they can continue to hurt other innocent ppl.  

You're trying to spin this into some sort of hypocrisy when it's not.

No search for hypocrisy. I am sincerely curious as to how people think about this issue. I imagined that most Christians would be pragmatic about this scenario.

(December 17, 2016 at 7:10 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 10:40 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Again, forgiveness =/= no consequences in this world.

You commit a violent crime, you do the time to insure societal safety, regardless of whether or not you are forgiven by anyone. We are called to forgive all ppl, even if they are not sorry for what they have done. that doesn't mean we release dangerous ppl back into the street where they can continue to hurt other innocent ppl.  

You're trying to spin this into some sort of hypocrisy when it's not.

No search for hypocrisy. I am sincerely curious as to how people think about this issue. I imagined that most Christians would be pragmatic about this scenario.

Gotcha. Sorry for jumping to conclusions. 

Yeah, most Christians will answer exactly as RR and I did. Can't say I can think of anyone who possibly wouldn't.