(December 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Alex K Wrote: Do you know who the other people in his "documentary" are who give these testimonials?

I haven't watched his documentary, I've just gotten info from it from this debate and a bit reading.

Jeez the rumours say that he set up a cult compound in Germany. That sounds very worrisome if true.

(December 29, 2016 at 6:02 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm)RozKek Wrote: I haven't watched his documentary, I've just gotten info from it from this debate and a bit reading.

Jeez the rumours say that he set up a cult compound in Germany. That sounds very worrisome if true.

Oh wow, holy sht. This is some scientology shit right here. Just check the subreddit for athenism or w/e it's called, people actually think they can click, and they really buy his shit. I don't like this either :v

(December 29, 2016 at 6:02 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm)RozKek Wrote: I haven't watched his documentary, I've just gotten info from it from this debate and a bit reading.

Jeez the rumours say that he set up a cult compound in Germany. That sounds very worrisome if true.

It would have been optimal if athene's movement wasn't self contradictory at best.

ATHENE: [*positive emotional* people drive logic.]
ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC DATA: [*neutral* people are better at logical tests.]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050437/


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(December 29, 2016 at 10:24 am)chimp3 Wrote: Through your own processes of reasoning would you come to the same conclusions as Ayn Rand on Laissez Faire capitalism?

Life's objective purpose, likely exists as an optimization routine. http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/mit-physici...ng-of-life

The creation of non trivial artificial intelligence, is thus far exceeding mankind in many cognitive tasks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4kyRyKyOpo


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Artificial intelligence shall likely exist as profound methods, of governance.
Thusly, humans perhaps need not apply.

(December 29, 2016 at 6:33 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 6:02 pm)Alex K Wrote: Jeez the rumours say that he set up a cult compound in Germany. That sounds very worrisome if true.

Oh wow, holy sht. This is some scientology shit right here. Just check the subreddit for athenism or w/e it's called, people actually think they can click, and they really buy his shit. I don't like this either :v

I have noted elsewhere that when you look at his long bizarre propaganda video "science finds god" or whatever it is called, that he borrows a lot of elements from scientology directly

- both LRH and this Athene guy talk about how test subjects report increased IQs after use of the technology

- both claim to lead practitioners to a state of Clarity/Clear

- both claim to eliminate emotional or subconscious parts of the mind in order to restore its performance (LRH calls it the reactive mind)

- both warn that their technology can have fatal consequences if advanced steps are taken by an unprepared beginner/if the prescribed procedure isn't followed exactly

I'm sure more parallels can be found of you look closer.

It's almost like Athene simply concocted an updated version of Scientology for today's frustrated computer nerd.

(December 29, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 6:33 pm)RozKek Wrote: Oh wow, holy sht. This is some scientology shit right here. Just check the subreddit for athenism or w/e it's called, people actually think they can click, and they really buy his shit. I don't like this either :v

I have noted elsewhere that when you look at his long bizarre propaganda video "science finds god" or whatever it is called, that he borrows a lot of elements from scientology directly

- both LRH and this Athene guy talk about how test subjects report increased IQs after use of the technology

- both claim to lead practitioners to a state of Clarity/Clear

- both claim to eliminate  emotional or subconscious parts of the mind in order to restore its performance (LRH calls it the reactive mind)

- both warn that their technology can have fatal consequences if advanced steps are taken by an unprepared beginner/if the prescribed procedure isn't followed exactly

I'm sure more parallels can be found of you look closer.

It's almost like Athene simply concocted an updated version of Scientology for today's frustrated computer nerd.

I detect one error in your analysis.

Athenism postulates positive emotion as logic's basis. 

Thusly, athenism is self-contradictory at best:


ATHENE: [*positive emotional* people drive logic.]
ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC DATA: [*neutral* people are better at logical tests.]


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050437/

(December 29, 2016 at 8:53 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Alex K Wrote: I have noted elsewhere that when you look at his long bizarre propaganda video "science finds god" or whatever it is called, that he borrows a lot of elements from scientology directly

- both LRH and this Athene guy talk about how test subjects report increased IQs after use of the technology

- both claim to lead practitioners to a state of Clarity/Clear

- both claim to eliminate  emotional or subconscious parts of the mind in order to restore its performance (LRH calls it the reactive mind)

- both warn that their technology can have fatal consequences if advanced steps are taken by an unprepared beginner/if the prescribed procedure isn't followed exactly

I'm sure more parallels can be found of you look closer.

It's almost like Athene simply concocted an updated version of Scientology for today's frustrated computer nerd.

I detect one error in your analysis.

Athenism postulates positive emotion as logic's basis. 

Thusly, athenism is self-contradictory at best:


ATHENE: [*positive emotional* people drive logic.]
ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC DATA: [*neutral* people are better at logical tests.]


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050437/

I detect that you sound like a broken record. Are you a bot reacting to key words?

Communication isn't your strong suit.



“We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.”

(December 29, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 8:53 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: I detect one error in your analysis.

Athenism postulates positive emotion as logic's basis. 

Thusly, athenism is self-contradictory at best:


ATHENE: [*positive emotional* people drive logic.]
ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC DATA: [*neutral* people are better at logical tests.]


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050437/

I detect that you sound like a broken record. Are you a bot reacting to key words?

Was the prior answer of mine inappropriate/irrelevant?

No, I don't hold anything to be absolute.

But as many have explained, including me, beliefs need not be absolute. Your position is the same as most people on this forum, you're just using narrow definitions for words.

If you continue to misunderstand this, I can only assume you're doing so deliberately in order to feel some sort of sense of elitism; like the "just agnostics" we get here who try and look down on "silly atheists", while actually having the same position.

Or you're screwing with us.

(December 30, 2016 at 1:22 am)robvalue Wrote: No, I don't hold anything to be absolute.

But as many have explained, including me, beliefs need not be absolute. Your position is the same as most people on this forum, you're just using narrow definitions for words.

If you continue to misunderstand this, I can only assume you're doing so deliberately in order to feel some sort of sense of elitism; like the "just agnostics" we get here who try and look down on "silly atheists", while actually having the same position.

Or you're screwing with us.

Of course, what is supposedly believed in may be nonsense, as is clear, and as I priorly wrote in linked articles.

However, the being herein accepts such nonsense as true/ABSOLUTE. (absolute is synonym for 'true'):