(January 9, 2017 at 7:30 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 9, 2017 at 12:19 am)Godschild Wrote: I haven't heard from any of them as I have the God of the Bible. So, no. If there were other gods I would expect competition for me. My God has said, there are no other real gods and since I've not heard from any others I have no reason to doubt.

If people only ever 'heard' from one god, then such private and personal experiences would convince everyone.

A person must first come to accept the God of the Bible before they can experience Him in a more personal way. Those who actually hear from God were convinced before they heard from Him. Hearing from God is a growth in a personal relationship with Him. Do not misunderstand what I'm saying here, a call from God the Father to accept Christ as savior is not a part of this discussion, we are discussing what comes after accepting the call. Also understand I do not believe all the saved experience God by hearing from Him as some Christians do, why, because they do not search for that deeper relationship.

Tonus Wrote:But so many people also have no reason to doubt, yet believe in a different god, or a different version of your god.

There is no different version of God, He never changed and will never change, He is the same today as in our past, I say our past because God has no past He is omnipresent. God is not effected by time.
People who have heard of God yet believe in another have reason to doubt, He's given them the call and that will remain on their spirit forever.

Tonus Wrote:It seems that there is a lot of competition out there. I am confident that very few of the people who have such a firm conviction are expecting to hear from any other gods, which is curious in light of the many different experiences and outcomes.

Those who haven't heard of God may be convinced they know the right god, many of these do worship many gods because it is a part of there religion. These are all false gods even the religions outside of Christianity that have one god, so if they believe they have heard the voice of their god/s they are fooling themselves. This comes from the authority of the one true God who says, "there are no other gods except for me." Most all the other religions say there are other gods outside of their religion, why, because man has made a competition of their religions, I believe some Christians see it as a competition which is not supported by the scriptures.

GC

(January 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: A person must first come to accept the God of the Bible before they can experience Him in a more personal way. Those who actually hear from God were convinced before they heard from Him. Hearing from God is a growth in a personal relationship with Him.

And yet again, "I'll see it when I believe it".

I'm going to have that put on a t-shirt.

(January 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who haven't heard of God may be convinced they know the right god, many of these do worship many gods because it is a part of there religion. These are all false gods even the religions outside of Christianity that have one god, so if they believe they have heard the voice of their god/s they are fooling themselves. This comes from the authority of the one true God who says, "there are no other gods except for me." Most all the other religions say there are other gods outside of their religion, why, because man has made a competition of their religions, I believe some Christians see it as a competition which is not supported by the scriptures.

I understand how you view it and what you believe. What I mean is that your responses could have been given by anyone who is a devout believer in any god. There is no way to know for sure who is right because each person can say the same thing and truly and sincerely believe it. You are telling me that it's your god that is true, and you know it for sure and those others must be misled in some way. But they can say the same and there is no way to show which one is right.

If every person that searched for god 'correctly' found the same god, it would be an undeniable witness that there is such a being guiding people. I have no doubt that you and Drich and many others have sought out god with sincerity and humility and been given an answer that leaves you with no question that god has led you to him. I also have no doubt that many others have done the same thing and found a different god. No one who has done so can produce something that would convince all of the others that they are mistaken or misled. This is striking. God is at once so easy to find that it is inexcusable to deny him, yet so difficult to find that billions get it wrong.

(January 9, 2017 at 6:56 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(January 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who haven't heard of God may be convinced they know the right god, many of these do worship many gods because it is a part of there religion. These are all false gods even the religions outside of Christianity that have one god, so if they believe they have heard the voice of their god/s they are fooling themselves. This comes from the authority of the one true God who says, "there are no other gods except for me." Most all the other religions say there are other gods outside of their religion, why, because man has made a competition of their religions, I believe some Christians see it as a competition which is not supported by the scriptures.

I understand how you view it and what you believe. What I mean is that your responses could have been given by anyone who is a devout believer in any god. There is no way to know for sure who is right because each person can say the same thing and truly and sincerely believe it. You are telling me that it's your god that is true, and you know it for sure and those others must be misled in some way. But they can say the same and there is no way to show which one is right.

In the end it matters that I know, I can't control what others choose nor say, but I can testify to what I know and that's what I try to do hear.

Tons Wrote:If every person that searched for god 'correctly' found the same god, it would be an undeniable witness that there is such a being guiding people. I have no doubt that you and Drich and many others have sought out god with sincerity and humility and been given an answer that leaves you with no question that god has led you to him. I also have no doubt that many others have done the same thing and found a different god. No one who has done so can produce something that would convince all of the others that they are mistaken or misled. This is striking. God is at once so easy to find that it is inexcusable to deny him, yet so difficult to find that billions get it wrong.

I thank you for acknowledging my belief to be true to me. There is a difference between my God and all the others, my God calls all that come to Him, one can't sincerely choose Christ without the Fathers call and He will call all that are truly seeking. With the other religions people choose to follow their teaching because they like what they say, and many choose another religion because Christianity seems to be too confining which is not true when God is guiding a persons life.
Satan is at the root of all these other religions, what better deception than to provide a other belief systems that people fill better fits them than the only true God.

GC

There are times when I think G-C just likes hearing himself yammer on about his bullshit. 

I think he's trying to impress the god-who-isn't-there with his holiness.



We get it already, G-C.  You REALLY believe in silly fairy tales.

(January 9, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: A person must first come to accept the God of the Bible before they can experience Him in a more personal way. Those who actually hear from God were convinced before they heard from Him. Hearing from God is a growth in a personal relationship with Him.

And yet again, "I'll see it when I believe it".

I'm going to have that put on a t-shirt.

Right, so you already have to believe there's this magic man in the sky who wants to talk to you, before he talks to you. In other words, you have to already be deluded.

I LOVE THIS OLD FAV...

(January 9, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Satan is at the root of all these other religions, what better deception than to provide a other belief systems that people fill better fits them than the only true God.

This is one of the things that makes it easy to defend one's own beliefs. Other beliefs that are based on what appear to be the same reasoning are attributed to people being misled by Satan, who can masquerade as an angel of light. But it means that everyone's explanation sounds exactly the same and no one can tell the difference. How can one be sure that it was really god speaking to him, and not the devil?

(January 10, 2017 at 8:14 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 9, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Satan is at the root of all these other religions, what better deception than to provide a other belief systems that people fill better fits them than the only true God.

This is one of the things that makes it easy to defend one's own beliefs. Other beliefs that are based on what appear to be the same reasoning are attributed to people being misled by Satan, who can masquerade as an angel of light. But it means that everyone's explanation sounds exactly the same and no one can tell the difference. How can one be sure that it was really god speaking to him, and not the devil?

Satan is not necessarily involved in these religions, he help these religions along and left the nature of men to grab ahold of them. Satan is not omnipresent so he can't effect the masses by dealing with people one at a time, ie. speaking to them. Satan takes on those who can influence the most people and keep himself hidden, if people understood he was involved they would stay away from such peoples. Satan is not omniscient, he is very clever as witnessed in the Garden of Eden. Satan can and would take the lives of all the lost at any given moment if God did not limit him, we know this from the book of Job. There are few religions that recognize Satan in their religion and if they did they would have ways to deal with him. If they knew of his influence in their religions they would run from it or accept the influence and become evil in their dealings with mankind. When one hears from God they need only to line up what they heard with the teachings of the Bible and know who they have heard from. Before you suggest that Satan could do this remember that Christ said, " a house divided against itself can't stand."

GC

How do you know all this, GC? From where are you getting your information?