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Talking to mormons
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Talking to mormons
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RE: Talking to mormons
Welcome.
Out of curiosity, what did you hope to accomplish when questioning a mormon.

We play similar games with Christians and Muslims here all day.
The flavour of sky fairy doesn't really change anything, does it.

They're all claims. All of them. Our word against theirs. But the onus of proof is on them.
And then the circular reasoning starts, and down the shitter it all goes from there....

Most religious people don't understand the difference between attacking the person and attacking the belief.
Everything becomes a personal attack and they respond accordingly.
Watching cat videos are so much more entertaining.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Talking to mormons
When talking to Mormons it is perhaps best to tell them that Joseph Smith had many wives, a lot of which were underaged because Mormons are in denial about it. And Joseph had a lot of them, nobody can count the exact number but it appears close to 50 as the minimum number. And among them, 10 were under the age of twenty, 5 pairs of sisters, one mother/daughter pair... His youngest brides were fourteen, and one wife, Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, claimed that Smith secretly approached her in 1834 when she was twelve years of age.

Then after Joseph died another 149 dead women were sealed to him as well, meaning that when their husbands arrived in the afterlife they would be left without their wife.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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(April 11, 2020 at 4:03 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: ...meaning that when their husbands arrived in the afterlife they would be left without their wife.
So there is a Heaven.
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Dude.

That's a hellof a lot of text I'm not going to read.

How about a synopsis.
Sanity adjacent.


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RE: Talking to mormons
(April 11, 2020 at 7:03 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(April 11, 2020 at 4:03 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: ...meaning that when their husbands arrived in the afterlife they would be left without their wife.
So there is a Heaven.

When you are talking to Christians you have to use their language, like when you're talking to a child for whom you want to discourage the use of blanket as a friend, you don't throw out the blanket out the window and say: "Deal with it." But you say "Blanket doesn't want to go to horse race today, it wants to stay home." And you make him or her leave the blanket for few hours and you increase that timespan with time until he or she doesn't need the blanket anymore.

That's why you can't approach a Christian and say everything in one breath, like "Underwear is not magical and you don't get your own planet when you die and Jesus didn't live in America and virgins really can't get pregnant and Jesus torture was an invention copied from Psalm 22..."

So you first say "It was not ok for Joseph to steal all those wives from people that were on their planets working on their farms." Let them see Joseph first fail in their own fantasy world and then explain them how magical underwear doesn't work and that nobody gets their planet when they die.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Talking to mormons
For a proper overview of Mormonism, I can't recommend highly enough Twain's 'Roughing It', chapters 13-16 and the first two appendices.

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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Beccs! For the second time, go to bed!!!
Big Grin

bye all. Old farts like me go to bed at 10. (I've had a big day boxing up the house)
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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(April 11, 2020 at 7:08 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Dude.

That's a hellof a lot of text I'm not going to read.

How about a synopsis.

Easy -


"Hi. I'm Joseph Smith. Let me tell you a story, then you let me fuck your daughter - then we'll all move to Utah and live in the most inhospitable place we can find. You in?"


....

Nut in a nutshell.
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(April 11, 2020 at 3:41 am)ignoramus Wrote: Welcome.
Out of curiosity, what did you hope to accomplish when questioning a mormon.

We play similar games with Christians and Muslims here all day.
The flavour of sky fairy doesn't really change anything, does it.

They're all claims. All of them. Our word against theirs. But the onus of proof is on them.
And then the circular reasoning starts, and down the shitter it all goes from there....

Most religious people don't understand the difference between attacking the person and attacking the belief.
Everything becomes a personal attack and they respond accordingly.
Watching cat videos are so much more entertaining.

Out of curiosity, what did you hope to accomplish when questioning a mormon.”


==1. Education
2. Entertainment
3. I learn a few things about their religion
4. To get to know them
5. Overall: To learn about humans: why do they do what they do


I also like to share data/information.


We play similar games with Christians and Muslims here all day.
The flavour of sky fairy doesn't really change anything, does it.”


==I agree.
I have been chatting with mostly christians on Youtube comment section for many years, and a couple of forums.
I also talk to flat earthers, homeopathy believers, astrology believers, free energy, etc.


In my experience, changing their minds is impossible.
It does not matter what your argument is. It does not matter what the facts are. It does not matter if you lay out the math for them (flat earthers).
Except one lady hinted that maybe she will change her mind. She was christian.


They're all claims. All of them. Our word against theirs. But the onus of proof is on them.”


==1. Some claims are verifiable via science. It is possible to show them that science contradicts what they say.
2. Logic: in some case, you can use logic to show that what they say is silly.


Example:
DanielPeterson wrote:
vm: "Not a single shred of reformed egyptian writings."

You're currently WRITING in a reformed Egyptian alphabet, poor fellow.



==============Does that make sense? DanielPeterson (mormon) is calling these letters reformed Egyptian. Is that what was used on the golden plates or are we going to call the modern hebrew letters, modern greek, modern armenian, modern cyrillic reformed Egyptian.
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