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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 5:39 pm
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(January 19, 2017 at 2:39 am)Khemikal Wrote: Okay, well, adding them together doesn't help me understand why they even feature. Help me make sense of their use in connection to the ideas of gravity as a result of x.
Gravity was the result of purpose/fulness.
Gravity was the result of meaning/fulness.
?
If you believe the universe has been intelligently designed then you believe the universe has purpose and meaning
If you believe there is no intelligent designer then the universe, GRAVITY INCLUDED, is the result of
a meaningless, purposeless random chance occurrence
No way around this fact
If you believe gravity is the result of a meaningless, purposeless random chance occurrence
with no scientific evidence to back the postulation up
then your conclusion is based on BLIND FAITH, not science
AND NOW TIME FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 6:58 pm
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(January 19, 2017 at 5:39 pm)JROHAN Wrote: If you believe the universe has been intelligently designed then you believe the universe has purpose and meaning A person may believe that, but it's not an issue of "must". I intelligently design little shapes by folding empty cigarette packs. No purpose, really, no meaning to it. Just a tick of mine.
Quote:If you believe there is no intelligent designer then the universe, GRAVITY INCLUDED, is the result of
a meaningless, purposeless random chance occurrence
As poorly formed as the above. While I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean that gravity is the result of purpose or the result of meaning ("things fall in because purpose"..."things fall in because meaning"....?)...it's trivially easy to show that gravity is not the result of something random, or a result of chance.
Quote:No way around this fact
.....?
I think I'm getting it, now, you're attempting to manufacture a false dichotomy. Meh.
Quote:If you believe gravity is the result of a meaningless, purposeless random chance occurrence
with no scientific evidence to back the postulation up
then your conclusion is based on BLIND FAITH, not science
Not my conclusion, personally, but I did ask who's it was, that was my first question...who believes that, and for those reasons....other than yourself?
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 9:39 pm
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YOU WROTE:
I intelligently design little shapes by folding empty cigarette packs. No purpose, really, no meaning to it. Just a tick of mine.
MY RESPONSE:
If you do something because it amuses you THAT is indeed a purpose.
If the Intelligent Designer creates because it amuses him to do so
THAT is indeed a purpose
YOU HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
THAT GRAVITY IS THE RESULT OF A COINCIDENTAL RANDOM CHANCE OCCURRENCE
TO BLINDLY BELIEVE IT IS
IS NOT SCIENTIFIC!!!
THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS THAT GRAVITY WAS INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED
WHY? IS IRRELEVANT
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 9:50 pm
(January 19, 2017 at 5:39 pm)JROHAN Wrote: (January 19, 2017 at 2:39 am)Khemikal Wrote: Okay, well, adding them together doesn't help me understand why they even feature. Help me make sense of their use in connection to the ideas of gravity as a result of x.
Gravity was the result of purpose/fulness.
Gravity was the result of meaning/fulness.
?
If you believe the universe has been intelligently designed then you believe the universe has purpose and meaning
If you believe there is no intelligent designer then the universe, GRAVITY INCLUDED, is the result of
a meaningless, purposeless random chance occurrence
No way around this fact
If you believe gravity is the result of a meaningless, purposeless random chance occurrence
with no scientific evidence to back the postulation up
then your conclusion is based on BLIND FAITH, not science
AND NOW TIME FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Gravity means a lot to me.
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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CONCLUSION:
THOSE WHO BELIEVE GRAVITY WAS NOT INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED
DO SO ON THE BASIS OF BLIND FAITH, NOT ON THE BASIS OF SCIENCE
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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(January 19, 2017 at 9:39 pm)JROHAN Wrote: If you do something because it amuses you THAT is indeed a purpose.
If the Intelligent Designer creates because it amuses him to do so
THAT is indeed a purpose It's just habitual. I think it used to amuse me, but now I don't even look. Is that the sort of purpose you're talking about, when positing a purposeful universe, or a necessity of purpose in intelligently designed things?
Quote:YOU HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
THAT GRAVITY IS THE RESULT OF A COINCIDENTAL RANDOM CHANCE OCCURRENCE
I don;t think that gravity is a result of a coincidental random chance occurrence. I think that's it's the effect of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass, gravity can be plotted and predicted mathematically and so I'm not sure what sense it makes to describe it as a "result of a coincidental random chance occurrence" regardless of whether or not the universe is intelligently designed?
Quote:TO BLINDLY BELIEVE IT IS
IS NOT SCIENTIFIC!!!
For what, the third or fourth time.....who believes this?
Quote:THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS THAT GRAVITY WAS INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED
WHY? IS IRRELEVANT
Obviously that's not the only other option., it doesn't even seem to have any relevance to what you attempt to draw the inference from. Not only is it a false dichotomy, you've completely lost your shit?
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 11:30 pm
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(January 19, 2017 at 11:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (January 19, 2017 at 9:39 pm)JROHAN Wrote: If you do something because it amuses you THAT is indeed a purpose.
If the Intelligent Designer creates because it amuses him to do so
THAT is indeed a purpose It's just habitual. I think it used to amuse me, but now I don't even look. Is that the sort of purpose you're talking about, when positing a purposeful universe, or a necessity of purpose in intelligently designed things?
Quote:YOU HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
THAT GRAVITY IS THE RESULT OF A COINCIDENTAL RANDOM CHANCE OCCURRENCE
I don;t think that gravity is a result of a coincidental random chance occurrence. I think that's it's the effect of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass, gravity can be plotted and predicted mathematically and so I'm not sure what sense it makes to describe it as a "result of a coincidental random chance occurrence" regardless of whether or not the universe is intelligently designed?
Quote:TO BLINDLY BELIEVE IT IS
IS NOT SCIENTIFIC!!!
For what, the third or fourth time.....who believes this?
Quote:THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS THAT GRAVITY WAS INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED
WHY? IS IRRELEVANT
Obviously that's not the only other option., it doesn't even seem to have any relevance to what you attempt to draw the inference from. Not only is it a false dichotomy, you've completely lost your shit?
DO YOU BELIEVE GRAVITY WAS INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED. YES OR NO?
IF NO, PRESENT YOUR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO BACK YOUR STANCE
IT'S AMAZING HOW YOU CONTINUALLY TRY TO DANCE AROUND
SUCH A SIMPLE CHALLENGE!!!
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 11:37 pm
I sure don't. Now, however, you're defending an ignorant false dichotomy by shifting the burden of proof.
I don't believe it was intelligently designed, because there is no evidence that it was intelligently designed, or that there is an intelligent designer, but more than that....it works without the need of an intelligent designer. What evidence we do have, tells us that gravity is a result of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass. I don;t actually believe in this, either, in the sense that you're obviously fishing for...but hey, them's the breaks.
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 11:38 pm
Gravity is the result a thousands of small invisible demons holding you down on the Earth's surface.
Without these "gravimps" you'd simply be pulled off the planet's surface by the motion of the planet.
Of course, being demons, these gravimps are inherently evil and, therefore, should be exorcised as quickly as possible
But then you're faced with the ultimate in moral tests: Exorcise the demons and float off to certain death or accept their help, live out your life, but be condemned to hell for all eternity.
Moral of the story: God's a prick
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RE: What Do You Think?
January 19, 2017 at 11:40 pm
(January 19, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I sure don't. Now, however, you're defending an ignorant false dichotomy by shifting the burden of proof.
I don't believe it was intelligently designed, because there is no evidence that it was intelligently designed, or that there is an intelligent designer, but more than that....it works without the need of an intelligent designer. What evidence we do have, tells us that gravity is a result of the curvature of spacetime caused by the uneven distribution of mass. I don;t actually believe in this, either, in the sense that you're obviously fishing for...but hey, them's the breaks.
IF YOU BELIEVE GRAVITY WAS NOT INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED
WITH NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO BACK YOUR STANCE
THEN YOU ARE PRESENTING A BLIND FAITH BELIEF
NOT A SCIENTIFIC ONE!!!
CASE CLOSED!!!
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