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Silly Creationist
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 (June 28, 2011 at 9:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Hello again Rhythm. Creationists don't use supernatural explanations for the operational sciences because they believe natural laws are the mechanism God uses to uphold his creation. So they would give the same explanation as to how rain works as anyone else. However, not only is a supernatural explanation for origins appropriate but I think it is by far the best explanation because logically a natural explanation is unfitting.  Quote:they believe natural laws are the mechanism God uses to uphold his creation. Oh, but Step #1 would be to demonstrate that there a 'god.' Still working on that one, are you? RE: Silly Creationist
June 29, 2011 at 3:24 pm
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2011 at 3:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
And why does god need a natural mechanism to maintain a system he created supernaturally? As an example, why couldn't god have placed us within a pulsar? Why are we limited to environments that natural explanations predict we would be limited to? Why proteins instead of quartz crystals?
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Hey, Min, you missed that last line:
"... logically a natural explanation is unfitting." So, no demonstration forthcoming, pip-pip and tally ho.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2011 at 3:36 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(June 28, 2011 at 10:37 pm)thebigfudge Wrote: Can you link me to any peer reviewed articles on your position Waldorf. You have made some interesting arguments ? Secular journals or Creation journals? (June 29, 2011 at 3:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well keep in mind that natural laws do not cause anything, they are merely descriptions of what we observe to happen regularly. We define this predictable upholding by God as "natural”. If God did not give nature an overlaying uniformity we could not gain any knowledge really because we could not make predictions about the future. So it is in our best interest that He does maintain Creation in this manner. As to the protein question, I think the living protein system is amazing and quite frankly unsurpassed as a mechanism.  (June 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(June 28, 2011 at 10:37 pm)thebigfudge Wrote: Can you link me to any peer reviewed articles on your position Waldorf. You have made some interesting arguments ? secular journals of course.
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June 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Creation science appears to be the science of defining things in a favorable manner to creationists.
You know what, that comment didn't add anything to the discussion, let me try again. In what way is a god who is indistinguishable from the natural world different than no god at all?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Silly Creationist
June 29, 2011 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2011 at 5:03 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(June 29, 2011 at 4:06 pm)thebigfudge Wrote: secular journals of course. Why only a secular journal? (June 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Creation Science is older than Secular Science so maybe it is you guys who have redefined terms in a favorable light no? Either way, it's pretty commonly understood that Natural Laws cannot cause anything. Where did I say that God was indistinguishable from the natural world?
Not too long ago, two posts up actually
"Well keep in mind that natural laws do not cause anything, they are merely descriptions of what we observe to happen regularly. We define this predictable upholding by God as "natural”. If God did not give nature an overlaying uniformity we could not gain any knowledge really because we could not make predictions about the future. So it is in our best interest that He does maintain Creation in this manner." In what manner?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I imagine we could have satanist journals to check from as well. Oh, and new age journals to check from. We can consult the crystals to see what answer is correct, or we can pray to Jesus and ask for a sign for which answer is correct. Then we can teach the children to pray to Allah to look for a sign as to wether the world is created or not.. and then we can teach them to meditate Zen style to reach enlightnement. That surely sounds good, and how can an enlightened one be wrong? Sure, why JUST secular journals?
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