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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:21 am
Ish, but how about extending that to services beyond military service? Say the DOT had a little army of road crews that worked for the sorts of rates that newly enlisted soldiers did?
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:21 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:12 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Mandatory service? No. Not at all.
Sorry, it used to be called National Service here in the UK but yeah.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:22 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:16 am)Khemikal Wrote: How about volunteer service with clear and highly valuable benefits? Say, college tuition, va care, and hiring preference? Not sure on this either, sure it's voluntary, but likely to only be taken up by those who can't otherwise afford those things e.g the poor. As long as there isn't a requirement to risk getting blown up in return - maybe?
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:24 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:15 am)Jesster Wrote: I have mixed feelings about it. I wouldn't support it at all if everyone had to do military service, but if there was an option in more civilian service as well I might be persuaded to support something like that. It would do a lot of good for the country and it would teach people some much needed perspective. I'm just not sure how much I could get behind the non-voluntary part. So... maybe?
Not everyone would have to do military service as there are people who aren't suited for that, they would get a choice in what they wanted to do. Some examples are in the OP.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:21 am)Bella Morte Wrote: (February 9, 2017 at 10:12 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Mandatory service? No. Not at all.
Sorry, it used to be called National Service here in the UK but yeah.
I'm not a fan of involuntary servitude no matter what you call it.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:24 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Not everyone would have to do military service as there are people who aren't suited for that, they would get a choice in what they wanted to do. Some examples are in the OP.
Yeah, I read that. I'm still not sure.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am
@Bella,
My caveat to mandatory service is that I don't think the US, in our current state, has the sorts of social programs that would be required for me to feel that mandatory service were justified. At least yall have an NHS and tuition schemes, for now..
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:26 am
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 10:26 am by FatAndFaithless.)
Even if the US had something like the NHS and tuition schemes...I don't think anyone should be forced to work in any capacity for their government (or for any other entity).
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:26 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Bella,
My caveat to mandatory service is that I don't think the US, in our current state, has the sorts of social programs that would be required for me to feel that mandatory service were justified. At least yall have an NHS and tuition schemes, for now..
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 10:29 am
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(February 9, 2017 at 10:16 am)Khemikal Wrote: How about volunteer service with clear and highly valuable benefits? Say, college tuition, va care, and hiring preference?
See, that sounds like an excellent idea. Those who have completed it get discounted university and other educational (tradeschool, etc) fees and employers should be encouraged to higher them before anyone else.
(February 9, 2017 at 10:25 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (February 9, 2017 at 10:21 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Sorry, it used to be called National Service here in the UK but yeah.
I'm not a fan of involuntary servitude no matter what you call it.
Fair enough. 
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