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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am
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@ ukatheist
That's not a difference. We award contracts to private business for our infrastructure programs. A national service could...depending on it's size, reduce or eliminate that necessity..and in so doing, eliminate the grift and collusion involved. No more of senator x funneling taxpayer funds to his buddy in the private sector, and then settling down to a nice position on the board of the same after his term is over.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am
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Remember to vote in the poll.
(February 9, 2017 at 11:07 am)Alex K Wrote: Germany had this type of mandatory service for men until a few years ago. Either Military or social type work. It worked great, and the young "civil servants" were an important corner stone of social sevices and care for the elderly. I myself got a 3 month medical education and worked as a paramedic assistant/ambulance driver during my service.
Why did they get rid of it?
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:16 am
I would be in favor of promoting voluntary civil services with benefits similar to what military service would get you. We promote the military here in the USA everywhere you look, so why not other beneficial government work? We could even throw in some flag-waving and eagle croaking to make it look all patriotic. Make it look like a great contract to enter, but keep it voluntary until then.
Heck, we already have groups like the Peace Corps. We could expand on that idea and make it less of a joke.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:17 am
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(February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am)Khemikal Wrote: @ukatheist
That's not a difference. We award contracts to private business for our infrastructure programs. A national service could...depending on it's size, reduce or eliminate that necessity. My mistake then, I was under the impression that you guys did most of that stuff 'in house'. But going back to the previous point, as, in most cases non-citizens aren't permitted to work for the civil service, the question of a non-citizen earning citizenship through it is a moot point. It's an interesting idea, but unlikely, we don't have a great track record on either refugees or being quick to give citizenship to people who really should get it (see Ghurkas).
(February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Remember to vote in the poll.
(February 9, 2017 at 11:07 am)Alex K Wrote: Germany had this type of mandatory service for men until a few years ago. Either Military or social type work. It worked great, and the young "civil servants" were an important corner stone of social sevices and care for the elderly. I myself got a 3 month medical education and worked as a paramedic assistant/ambulance driver during my service.
Why did they get rid of it? Sorry, can't vote on Tapatalk (or give Kudos/rep for those who think I'm just a mean bitch).
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:23 am
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(February 9, 2017 at 11:17 am)ukatheist Wrote: My mistake then, I was under the impression that you guys did most of that stuff 'in house'. But going back to the previous point, as, in most cases non-citizens aren't permitted to work for the civil service, the question of a non-citizen earning citizenship through it is a moot point. Sounds more like a native jobs program than a national service, to me, but I'm admittedly biased by a different approach to national service that exists here in my country.
Quote:It's an interesting idea, but unlikely, we don't have a great track record on either refugees or being quick to give citizenship to people who really should get it (see Ghurkas).
Took us a few hundred years to enfranchise native born americans...so, glass houses..lol.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:25 am
@ ukatheist
Don't worry about it. 
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:27 am
(February 9, 2017 at 11:09 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Remember to vote in the poll.
(February 9, 2017 at 11:07 am)Alex K Wrote: Germany had this type of mandatory service for men until a few years ago. Either Military or social type work. It worked great, and the young "civil servants" were an important corner stone of social sevices and care for the elderly. I myself got a 3 month medical education and worked as a paramedic assistant/ambulance driver during my service.
Why did they get rid of it?
We first and foremost got rid of mandatory military service because it wasn't deemed appropriate for the times anymore, and the alternative social service thing ended as collateral damage basically.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:30 am
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The civil service component was a provision for exemption in the mandatory military service..huh? Baby, bathwater issue?
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:32 am
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(February 9, 2017 at 11:30 am)Khemikal Wrote: The civil service component was a provision for exemption in the mandatory military service..huh?
Exactly, initially it was a controversial exception for hippies that was super hard to get in, but by the time it was my turn, it was normal and 50% of young men ended up in the civil branch
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 11:43 am
(February 9, 2017 at 10:12 am)Khemikal Wrote: I think it' a great idea. Mandatory four years in a service of ones choosing.
I'll take the gun to the head option in that case.
I don't like being forced into anything. Sounds kinda rapey.
YOLO and life is crappy enough even when it's going how I want it to.
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