(April 13, 2017 at 4:18 pm)AceBoogie Wrote:

(April 13, 2017 at 8:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong once again Ace.
The proof that there is a need for spirituality is more than evident.
None is able to find peace of mind (and here I am talking about a permanent peace of mind)
only by materialistic-physical and mental means.
The fact that people have to repeat the same action again and again is the proof.
The satisfaction that you may find by having sex or doing other things only last a very short time.
Is not a permanent satisfaction that is why people go back to it again and again.
This is proof that human beings long for a permanent status not a temporary one so if the material-physical or mental side is unable to give that to us it is obvious that only the spiritual side can.

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So your "logic" is that because temporary actions don't lead to permanent gratification, there is a need for spirituality? Not only is that logic completely flawed, it provides no evidence for the need of anything spiritual. It only provides evidence for the passage of time. Plenty of people find happiness in life without ever taking spirituality, or lack thereof, into account. I'm pretty happy with my life, I'm not at all a spiritual person.

Plenty of people are, however, unhappy. This isn't due to a lack of spirituality, hell I know plenty of spiritual people who I would say are fucking miserable. People are usually unhappy in life because they don't treat themselves with respect or consideration. Most people would rather sit in front of a TV all day than work out or read a book. I'm guilty of it too. But laziness leads to unhappiness. Not a lack of spirituality.

You're jumping more gaps than Mario and Luigi.

We live in a physical world. Not a spiritual world. What planet do you live on?

So I'll ask again, what is your proof of a need for spirituality?

Is a pity that you do not know the difference between temporary happy and permanent happy.
If people would be permanent happy and in peace with themselves then they wouldn't go back to the same acts that previously made them happy for a short time of course.
To be permanent happy is ingrained in the human mind.
People will keep on looking and looking until they find permanent peace of mind.
There is no question about it.
People that say that they are happy as they are without engage in that exercise that lead to permanent
peace of mind such as the spirituality are fooling themselves.
I am not saying that they are lying.
They usually think in that way in good faith but deep within their consciousness say otherwise
and the evidence is that these people keep on looking and looking around and around for peace of mind.

Here is a small quiz-test that may help you to understand my point.

1) After struggling to buy your new car do you feel frustrated to see that you could have bought the same car a lot cheaper elsewhere?
2) Do you feel frustrated to see that a new model of car just came out with more features for the same price?
3) Do you feel frustrated to see that the grass in your neighbor garden is greener?
4) Suppose you are married.
When you see someone who look younger and more attractive than your partner do you feel like you
would rather make love with that person that look better?

If that doesn't apply to you then you are a super person.

I could go on and on with these test because physical-material-mental life always offer us something better.
In this way is next to impossible to find peace of mind.
Now tell me that you are happy as you are without engaging in spirituality.
In this case you are a super super super human being.
Good on you Ace.
You are a champion.
I would say a rarity.
Maybe you come from a different planet or universe or dimension.
You certainly are not from planet earth.  

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(April 13, 2017 at 11:28 am)Cyberman Wrote: So what's in the green box? If you don't think you're 'emancipated' enough to figure it out, ask one of those gurus.

Test them.

No need for that Cyb.
If you have just a little bit of imagination you don't need to ask anybody.
Here I show you how the imagination can solve this problem.

First of all the pineal gland can not be compared with the green box.
The comparison doesn't match.

But let us start from the beginning.
The pineal gland is the seat of the consciousness and when the consciousness is 100% pure you are God.
By practicing spirituality slowly slowly you come to know your real consciousness.
Who you really are so day by day you are opening this consciousness that lie inside the pineal gland while if you open a box you find out what is inside at the very moment that you open the box.

In other words you will know that inside the pineal gland lie something a lot more powerful than what you got at the moment.
If at the moment you got maybe 1 or 2% of the total bliss by activating the lower glands you can deduce that by getting at the very top where the pineal gland lie you will get 100%.
This is a simple deduction that doesn't need too much imagination.

I guess you never thought about that Cyb, did you?  

Once again you fail Cyb.  

I'm not the one throwing red herring strawmen around and then jizzing in my pants at my superior intellect.

Now, what's in the green box?

(April 14, 2017 at 8:40 am)Cyberman Wrote: I'm not the one throwing red herring strawmen around and then jizzing in my pants at my superior intellect.

Now, what's in the green box?

Sorry son you already lost the match.  
I did show you how to work out what is inside the only box that is important to any human beings.
If you miss out the logic then read my post once again.  

I'm not interested in chasing your red herrings. You've long ago bored everyone shitless with your childish clown act.

You're a legend in your own head. Well done. Help yourself to a smiley-face sticker from the "good boy" cupboard and show mummy when she comes to collect you.

(April 14, 2017 at 8:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: The pineal gland is the seat of the consciousness and when the consciousness is 100% pure you are God.

Ooh boy, can't wait to tell this to my Neurobiology professor when I go take the exam. /s

Rik, if all you're going to do is to throw out bald assertions without any proof to back them up, you're not going to have a fruitful conversation like... ever. Even outside of this forum. Go ahead, show me (a guy who's getting a Master's degree in Medical Biotechnology) HOW the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness. Come at me scrublord, I'm ripped.

And if you're interested, PM me in Italian. I'm honestly curious about what you actually think, and sometimes it just seems to me that half of the conversation is lost in translation.

(April 14, 2017 at 7:26 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(April 13, 2017 at 4:18 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: So your "logic" is that because temporary actions don't lead to permanent gratification, there is a need for spirituality? Not only is that logic completely flawed, it provides no evidence for the need of anything spiritual. It only provides evidence for the passage of time. Plenty of people find happiness in life without ever taking spirituality, or lack thereof, into account. I'm pretty happy with my life, I'm not at all a spiritual person.

Plenty of people are, however, unhappy. This isn't due to a lack of spirituality, hell I know plenty of spiritual people who I would say are fucking miserable. People are usually unhappy in life because they don't treat themselves with respect or consideration. Most people would rather sit in front of a TV all day than work out or read a book. I'm guilty of it too. But laziness leads to unhappiness. Not a lack of spirituality.

You're jumping more gaps than Mario and Luigi.

We live in a physical world. Not a spiritual world. What planet do you live on?

So I'll ask again, what is your proof of a need for spirituality?

Is a pity that you do not know the difference between temporary happy and permanent happy.
If people would be permanent happy and in peace with themselves then they wouldn't go back to the same acts that previously made them happy for a short time of course.
To be permanent happy is ingrained in the human mind.
People will keep on looking and looking until they find permanent peace of mind.
There is no question about it.
People that say that they are happy as they are without engage in that exercise that lead to permanent
peace of mind such as the spirituality are fooling themselves.
I am not saying that they are lying.
They usually think in that way in good faith but deep within their consciousness say otherwise
and the evidence is that these people keep on looking and looking around and around for peace of mind.

Here is a small quiz-test that may help you to understand my point.

1) After struggling to buy your new car do you feel frustrated to see that you could have bought the same car a lot cheaper elsewhere?
2) Do you feel frustrated to see that a new model of car just came out with more features for the same price?
3) Do you feel frustrated to see that the grass in your neighbor garden is greener?
4) Suppose you are married.
When you see someone who look younger and more attractive than your partner do you feel like you
would rather make love with that person that look better?

If that doesn't apply to you then you are a super person.

I could go on and on with these test because physical-material-mental life always offer us something better.
In this way is next to impossible to find peace of mind.
Now tell me that you are happy as you are without engaging in spirituality.
In this case you are a super super super human being.
Good on you Ace.
You are a champion.
I would say a rarity.
Maybe you come from a different planet or universe or dimension.
You certainly are not from planet earth.  

See, I agree with your logic here but I see no need to call it 'spirituality' just psychology. Realising that everything is impermanent/transient, and therefore chasing it is ultimately pointless and will lead to inevitable loss (ie suffering), leads to one logical conclusion that attachment (to these impermanent things) is the cause of suffering, and therefore the solution that eliminating attachment, eliminates suffering. I just see that as a psychological theory that makes logical sense, but nowhere does it need to be called 'spiritual' for it to be put into practice in life. All it needs is mindfulness and awareness. So if I were to go into it fully, I don't ultimately see what difference would be between you and me... both striving for non-attachment but with you believing in an afterlife/reincarnation and me not. If that full state of non-attachment was reached, then if true, eternal life would just be a continuation of the state we had reached... which, being non-attachment, would be just a state of peace without want. So what I'm saying is if we got that far, there's not much difference between ceasing to exist and living on in a perpetual state of not giving a fuck about anything So basically ultimately I don't see what the notion of God offers to the equation or how it would make any practical difference even if it were true.

(April 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm)emjay Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 7:26 am)Little Rik Wrote: Is a pity that you do not know the difference between temporary happy and permanent happy.
If people would be permanent happy and in peace with themselves then they wouldn't go back to the same acts that previously made them happy for a short time of course.
To be permanent happy is ingrained in the human mind.
People will keep on looking and looking until they find permanent peace of mind.
There is no question about it.
People that say that they are happy as they are without engage in that exercise that lead to permanent
peace of mind such as the spirituality are fooling themselves.
I am not saying that they are lying.
They usually think in that way in good faith but deep within their consciousness say otherwise
and the evidence is that these people keep on looking and looking around and around for peace of mind.

Here is a small quiz-test that may help you to understand my point.

1) After struggling to buy your new car do you feel frustrated to see that you could have bought the same car a lot cheaper elsewhere?
2) Do you feel frustrated to see that a new model of car just came out with more features for the same price?
3) Do you feel frustrated to see that the grass in your neighbor garden is greener?
4) Suppose you are married.
When you see someone who look younger and more attractive than your partner do you feel like you
would rather make love with that person that look better?

If that doesn't apply to you then you are a super person.

I could go on and on with these test because physical-material-mental life always offer us something better.
In this way is next to impossible to find peace of mind.
Now tell me that you are happy as you are without engaging in spirituality.
In this case you are a super super super human being.
Good on you Ace.
You are a champion.
I would say a rarity.
Maybe you come from a different planet or universe or dimension.
You certainly are not from planet earth.  

See, I agree with your logic here but I see no need to call it 'spirituality' just psychology. Realising that everything is impermanent/transient, and therefore chasing it is ultimately pointless and will lead to inevitable loss (ie suffering), leads to one logical conclusion that attachment (to these impermanent things) is the cause of suffering, and therefore the solution that eliminating attachment, eliminates suffering. I just see that as a psychological theory that makes logical sense, but nowhere does it need to be called 'spiritual' for it to be put into practice in life. All it needs is mindfulness and awareness. So if I were to go into it fully, I don't ultimately see what difference would be between you and me... both striving for non-attachment but with you believing in an afterlife/reincarnation and me not. If that full state of non-attachment was reached, then if true, eternal life would just be a continuation of the state we had reached... which, being non-attachment, would be just a state of peace without want. So what I'm saying is if we got that far, there's not much difference between ceasing to exist and living on in a perpetual state of not giving a fuck about anything So basically ultimately I don't see what the notion of God offers to the equation or how it would make any practical difference even if it were true.

Your analysis badly miss something.
Psychology can only reach a certain point.
The mind is like an iceberg.
We can only see the above part.
If we want to see the part below the water we have to go under the water.
The mind is not all the same.
There is the conscious mind and the unconscious mind.
To understand the conscious mind is not a big deal but to see the unconscious mind it is.
Psychology is not the best tool to see below.
All psychology can do is to see the above part and guess what lie under in the unconscious mind
but guessing is not good enough that is why I wouldn't take for granted what psychology say.

To know what lie under in the unconscious mind a person must undertake a lot of hard work.
Is not so simple.
It takes practice and a lot of it.
Psychology doesn't undertake practice so there is no way that psychology will ever be able to understand the mind in full and here I mean the conscious and the unconscious mind.  

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(April 14, 2017 at 11:37 am)Lucanus Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 8:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: The pineal gland is the seat of the consciousness and when the consciousness is 100% pure you are God.

Ooh boy, can't wait to tell this to my Neurobiology professor when I go take the exam. /s

Rik, if all you're going to do is to throw out bald assertions without any proof to back them up, you're not going to have a fruitful conversation like... ever. Even outside of this forum. Go ahead, show me (a guy who's getting a Master's degree in Medical Biotechnology) HOW the pineal gland is the seat of consciousness. Come at me scrublord, I'm ripped.

And if you're interested, PM me in Italian. I'm honestly curious about what you actually think, and sometimes it just seems to me that half of the conversation is lost in translation.

Gee Luc I am so so so excited that you will become a great great expert in the brain activity.
Please Luc do me a favor.  
Ask your professor who decide to start the action.
The I the mind or the brain and if there is any difference between the I the mind and the brain.
I have been asking so many people  and no one could tell me for sure.
I am sure that your professor will know the answer.  
Please help LR to understand.  

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