(April 6, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Crunchy Wrote: It's very easy to point out problems and declare that it's all a big conspiracy and fall into the Alex Jones theory that everyone everywhere is a victim of some cabal. I hope you can shed this tiresome mindset.  The world is subtle and complex and does not conform to your simplistic view of good guys and bad guys.

No, the world conforms to your POV. 
But keep the line to yourself. This is how dictators are born; and this is exactly how dictators are born.

My rules for the good guys is this:
-They don't stick needles in my ass for lame reasons.

My rules for bad guys is this:
-They stick needles in my ass without a good reason.

(April 5, 2017 at 7:13 pm)Crunchy Wrote:

(April 5, 2017 at 4:40 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: North Korea is in Russia's pocket as a booty of WW2 deal, South Korea is in the hands of the west also as a booty.
It's a cake. Nothing more, that's why nukes are never launched, except atop of some Iraqi civilians via tactical silver bullets.

Korea was in the hands of the Japanese and their loss in WW2 is what caused the division between North and South Korea. The best thing that could have happened was for the entire nation to be handed over to the west. Where would you rather live today, North or South Korea?

South Korea is an independent and successful nation because of the opportunity for democracy afforded to it by the west after the war. An opportunity they have done much with to their credit. North Korea is a disaster because the insane communist Kim Ill-Sung and his cult of personality received support from the communists who would rather see a nut case in charge than have open democracy.

South Korea was a dictatorship up until 1988. It's simply a case that the path taken by South Korean dictators (increased economic development and prosperity) created a populace willing and able to fight back when the last dictator (Chun) became incrasingly Kim like.

(April 6, 2017 at 1:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(April 6, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Crunchy Wrote: It's very easy to point out problems and declare that it's all a big conspiracy and fall into the Alex Jones theory that everyone everywhere is a victim of some cabal. I hope you can shed this tiresome mindset.  The world is subtle and complex and does not conform to your simplistic view of good guys and bad guys.

No, the world conforms to your POV. 
But keep the line to yourself. This is how dictators are born; and this is exactly how dictators are born.

My rules for the good guys is this:
-They don't stick needles in my ass for lame reasons.

My rules for bad guys is this:
-They stick needles in my ass without a good reason.

WTF? Who is sticking needles in your ass???

(April 21, 2017 at 3:48 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(April 6, 2017 at 1:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: No, the world conforms to your POV. 
But keep the line to yourself. This is how dictators are born; and this is exactly how dictators are born.

My rules for the good guys is this:
-They don't stick needles in my ass for lame reasons.

My rules for bad guys is this:
-They stick needles in my ass without a good reason.

WTF? Who is sticking needles in your ass???

Dictators.
They consider the government a personal property.

With it, I too am a personal property to them.
Any attempt to run or fight back, end up with needles in the ass.

Honestly the US has been pussy footing around with the NK issue to long
we said don't cross that line and they did it and kept doing it. Honestly were at a point were
we should stop them before they become a real threat to the countries near them.

(April 4, 2017 at 5:06 am)Nymphadora Wrote: You know, it wasn't too long ago that I heard people complaining about the US staying out of other countries business. We should try that.

I'm all for staying out of other people's business, unless that country is an actual serious threat to world peace. Not just internal shit, but actual world peace.
Sadly, NK seems to be of that variety. Not that I think there is much we can do about it in any case.

(April 22, 2017 at 2:59 am)dyresand Wrote: Honestly the US has been pussy footing around with the NK issue to long
we said don't cross that line and they did it and kept doing it. Honestly were at a point were
we should stop them before they become a real threat to the countries near them.

I know the US created the problem in NK to begin with. Mcarthy went too close to China but why is it anything to do with you now?

(April 22, 2017 at 5:15 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I know the US created the problem in NK to begin with. Mcarthy went too close to China but why is it anything to do with you now?

Can you explain this? The first claim seems a little overwrought, if not entirely false, and the second entirely unclear.

MacArthur getting close to China had nothing to do with the creation of North Korea.

(April 22, 2017 at 8:25 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(April 22, 2017 at 5:15 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I know the US created the problem in NK to begin with. Mcarthy went too close to China but why is it anything to do with you now?

Can you explain this? The first claim seems a little overwrought, if not entirely false, and the second entirely unclear.

MacArthur getting close to China had nothing to do with the creation of North Korea.

MacArthur getting close to china turned china from a fence sitter in the US Soviet confrontation into an active combatant on the soviet side. The Chinese then intervened militarily in the Korean War, drove UN forces out of North Korea, and preserved North Korea. So MacArthur's approach to china created the circumstances which allowed North Korea to survive to the present day.

The relationship between the Soviet Union, the two sides in the Chinese civil war and the US from WWII to just after the start of the Korean War was very complex and nuanced. It might be surprising but through the 1930s, the Soviet Union supported the nationalists against the Mao's communists because Stalin judged the Chinese nationalists were more effective in tying down Japan and preventing Japan from turning against the Soviet Union in the case of a war in Europe. So there was no love lost between mao's communists and stalin's Soviet Union. At the end of WWII, the professional diplomats in the US were well aware of that, and the US had been grossly disappointed by the corruption and warlordism of the Chinese nationalists during the war. So a strong body of opinion argued the US should abandon the nationalists, and instead nurture mao's communists who, in the estimate of the state department, would actually form a stronger bulwark against soviet expansion in east Asia. This didn't come to pass partly because the public opinion in the US turn away from realpolitik to more right wing ideological anti-communism, and gradually lost the ability to distinguish the separate interests of different fractions of communists, and partly because the Chinese communists were suspicious of US intentions and resentful of US military support for the nationalists.

When the communists seized power in china in 1949, fractions in the US state department made a concerted effort to open lines of communication with Mao. Mao attempted to steer a course independent of the Soviet Union. When the current Kim's grand father, Kim Il Sung, approached mao for support to invade South Korea and unify Korea under his own rule, Mao refused, and saw no reason to sponsor an action that would ntagonize the US. Kim then approached Stalin. Stalin saw the in North Korean attack on the south and the inevitable US retribution an opportunity to force Mao's to abandon his more independent course and fall into the Soviet camp.

When North Korea attacked South Korea, china initially offered no support. The support come exclusively from Soviet Union. When UN forces retook South Korea the Chinese made to adverse statements. But when UN forces occupied much of North Korea, Mao warned through diplomatic channels that UN forces should stay away from Chinese border or risk a Chinese intervention. At this time McCarthyism was in full swing in the US and no one listened. McArthur ordered UN forces to right up to the Chinese border. However, MacArthur, incredibly, made no preparation whatsoever to deal with any possible Chinese military intervention.

just before the UN forces actually got to the border, the Chinese intervened as they said they would. Unprepared UN forces under MacArthur were totally routed and driven out of North Korea, to a stalemate line t the 38th parallel.

This is why North Korea remain in existence today to test nukes and develop ICBMs that can hit california before trump's term is up.

(April 22, 2017 at 2:59 am)dyresand Wrote: Honestly the US has been pussy footing around with the NK issue to long
we said don't cross that line and they did it and kept doing it. Honestly were at a point were
we should stop them before they become a real threat to the countries near them.

The U.S is not the police of the world.

They have no right to tell people how to live. But the U.S is not a creature of some kind; it's a cluster of civilians and organisations, so as North Korea.

In other words; for the right amount of money, governments can be rented to carry on a certain job; and persuasion methods exists, ranging from brute force to economical pressures.

Real hate and real wars have a distinct taste. Different flavor.