(April 20, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 11:52 am)Drich Wrote: Now again if what I know is correct God will come though as I predicted, and f not then I must look at the situation as outlined in the op and if it is doctrinally sound then I must try and rebuild what it was I thought I knew, if It was not doctrinally sound or if we were in sin or sin Got us to where we are then I must cut loose this idea and our house.

IDK seem falsifiable to me.

The "IDK" is the key here.  You DON'T know. You BELIEVE.

The "IDK" you all have is the reason I am spelling out what i do know for you 'good people.'

Again as I pointed out in the OP I've been through this process several times now, and after each time my senses of what is with God get much much stronger.
 So not only do I know, but now because of the trial my understanding is unshakable. Other wise how is it you think I can be here day after day getting questioned and withstand all the toppling?

The reason I am here sharing is not for my sake but for yours/Those who have been tested and don't know the difference between the silence of a test or the consenquence of sin. was kinda pushed (because how how one of the face to face people I try and help reacted) I am offering a way out of the silence. In real time.

We will see together. My closing is tuesday and I do not have a dollar saved towards the house. Again because we reinvested it in equipment/inventory. I've got a truck set to close today (no word other than funding has been approved/the customer could still not like the terms and walk away) and I've got a similar truck set to close on monday, this one high risk bad credit. probably not going to happen.

No direction, no revelation, for the first time in a very long time I have absolutely no idea what to do. I am simply going off of what I know to be true of God. I did not swindle or steal back the land. I did not trick my father into doing anything. I honestly earned the money we had set aside for this transaction and we are not swindeling or stealing anything from the people buying the trucks. We have prayed over this house for a very long time and everytime it is time for us to make a move God has blessed us 10xs over. house sold in like a day, we got the 5th camper of my dreams, and a truck to pull it for under our modest camper budget.  Now because God has blessed us in this direction for this long of a time I am simply continuing on in this direction out of faith and what I know of God. We just set the closing to tuesday.

This is not a naming and claiming thing. God does not owe me anything here. That what Neo seems to be confused with. I see my self working with God's money God's stuff here. I have been put incharge of a series of investments as well as a series of events that help illustrate some key biblical principles (like how my dad took the land I paid for and how it was returned to me based on me following a scriptural reconciliation.) or how working though trials can give one comfort even when God is silent. The money side of all of this is no different. I've got direction from the past in to how to make my home an extension of my ministry. and because of all of the green lights I've got and I know I am not in sin, I will remain faithful to the vision I've been given. Not because I called it or named it but because I was named and put in charge of this project.

That said God does have the right to stop and have me go in a completely differen direction like with Moses or even Job. If that's the case I simply ask God for the tools to make the shift

(April 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: The "IDK" is the key here.  You DON'T know. You BELIEVE.

The "IDK" you all have is the reason I am spelling out what i do know for you 'good people.'

And, of course, not knowing the difference, you spelled out what you BELIEVE.

(April 21, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(April 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote:

The "IDK" you all have is the reason I am spelling out what i do know for you 'good people.'

And, of course, not knowing the difference, you spelled out what you BELIEVE.

You do understand there is a difference between belief and faith right?

Belief is based on past performance. Faith is just trust.

If you want to boil down everything I know to be true you must also ask how I know this to be true. Experience and past reliable performance.

Quote:and after each time my senses of what is with God get much much stronger.

That just means you are getting crazier.  Up the dosage of whatever meds they are giving you.

(April 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:and after each time my senses of what is with God get much much stronger.

That just means you are getting crazier.  Up the dosage of whatever meds they are giving you.

...And what if it is not me being crazy??? What If I do not live the deafened muted life you are forced to live? What if I found something you did not? What if this rabbit hole of life goes a whole lot deeper than what you've been able to explore in your time here?

Do you really consider yourself to be the gold standard in a fully lived life? (there can be nothing more than what you know?)

(April 21, 2017 at 2:31 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 21, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: And, of course, not knowing the difference, you spelled out what you BELIEVE.

You do understand there is a difference between belief and faith right?

Belief is based on past performance. Faith is just trust.

If you want to boil down everything I know to be true you must also ask how I know this to be true. Experience and past reliable performance.

I don't have to ask how you know this to be true.  You've redefined "know" and "true".  And you have no "past reliable experience" either.  No the way an objective person might.

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(April 24, 2017 at 9:03 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That just means you are getting crazier.  Up the dosage of whatever meds they are giving you.

...And what if it is not me being crazy??? What If I do not live the deafened muted life you are forced to live? What if I found something you did not? What if this rabbit hole of life goes a whole lot deeper than what you've been able to explore in your time here?

Do you really consider yourself to be the gold standard in a fully lived life? (there can be nothing more than what you know?)

Your posts in this site reveal your lack of depth.  Your comments such as this "deafened muted life" and the purposely false that we say "there can be nothing more than what we know".  You lie, insult and misrepresent.  As James Baldwin said, "I can't believe what you say, because I see what you do".

(April 24, 2017 at 10:02 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='1543898' dateline='1492799511']

You do understand there is a difference between belief and faith right?

Belief is based on past performance. Faith is just trust.

If you want to boil down everything I know to be true you must also ask how I know this to be true. Experience and past reliable performance.

I don't have to ask how you know this to be true.  You've redefined "know" and "true". Where? and what is my new defination?
Or is this just another baseless accusation? (Are you going to try and accusse me of following some sort of arguement formula or pattern and deny me to answer your accusation?) I say if you are going to accuse someone of something then they have the right to answer you.

Quote: And you have no "past reliable experience" either.

 I have several that i have shared in the past. Trip to Hell, God sending an angel to lay out my future life, God working with me through an AIDS diagnosis, (medical anomaly) God walking me through about 1 and 1/2 of Cancer diagnosis, (just got a recheck, still don't have an answer to what I have or dont have) God walking me through my wife's heroin addiction,(turned it off like a switch) God walking me through this business,

Quote:that I'm in No the way an objective person might.

That's the thing sport it is not about you. Never was. My experiences are about me and my system of belief. In each and every one of these instances God directed me through a tough time. God says ABC and then in my personal life delivers ABC. This still allows you the doubt and frumpiness you need to maintain your douchebaggery, but gives me what I need to establish truth in my life and belief based on passed experience.

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Quote:Your posts in this site reveal your lack of depth. 

I have to consider to whom that I speak.

Quote: Your comments such as this "deafened muted life"

reflect the fact that you can not hear or speak to God... Perhaps you are youre in over your head but do not understand that you are.

Quote:and the purposely false that we say "there can be nothing more than what we know".  You lie, insult and misrepresent. 

Omg the irony.. You accuse me of lying and not telling the truth.. Your only job here sport was to cut and paste.. and well read/respond correctly.

I guess that for you, is too much to ask.

What does it say about you when you literally have to change what I said inorder to defend yourself from the strawman you built?

here's what I actually said in context:
Do you really consider yourself to be the gold standard in a fully lived life? (there can be nothing more than what you know?)

That was me asking another member (because ironically he was showing a very swallow understanding of life despite his many years. To which I asked:
Do you really consider yourself to be the gold standard in a fully lived life? (there can be nothing more than what you know?)

Meaning to that member did you live such a full life that you yourself is in a position to judge everyone else who has come after you based on your experiences? was your life so full there is nothing more one could possible know/learn.

Good lord douchie, do you ever get tired of always being so wrong it make me want to help you?

How about try and mix it up alittle ask a question or two. seek clarity before you speak. or are you like minnie convenced that you will always have the correct perspective?

Quote:As James Baldwin said, "I can't believe what you say, because I see what you do".

As Drich say's "often it is weak minded that need the quotes of others to frame out or try and save what they ineptly communicate."

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Up date!

We have three deals on the table, and nothing going through.

Closing is at 10am tomorrow and we don't have the 8k (was 15k) that we were supposed to bring to close.

We did get a deposit, which was quickly ate up on another project...

The closing on the van for the deposit is supposed to happen yesterday, but found ou there was a co-owner and now she has to go through the whle process as well. Her credit has to be as good if not better than the owner. this usally takes a couple days on the commercial side of buying a truck/car.

So today was the day of days.

It was time to pay the piper and our deal sill had not come through/funding has not cleared the bank.

We were supposed to bring a 480.00 for back taxes on the land a check for 38.00 for processing of the loan and a 8500 check for the balance of our down payment.

We had everything except the 8500.00 and no way for anything to happen. Out of belief in what I know of God we went. I not saying I had faith he was going to make the deal go through, I am saying we went because I know God would make things clear. (know whether we were supposed to peruse this house or not.)

So on a new construction loan closing you have to close on the house designs, modifications and the rest, and on the loan paper work. The loan paper work is where I knew we'd be in trouble. The builder office (2 hours away) is where we met the builder and loan people. and we were sweating it pretty hard saying our own prayers in traffic all the way up there.

Then they rushed us to the front of the line when we got to the builder, and sat us down and started the signing fest. I signed the builders stuff for like an hour. Had my wife at the end check the email and phone, and every stupid facebook notification and instagram notification I got before then, I almost knocked over the table to check my phone to see if it was wire transfer we have been waiting on. no dice.

Then the dreaded finance part. first thing she asked for checks (before me wife had even come back. it was obvious we had an envelope on the table and it had checks in it and one was a cashiers check) So I played dumb as I was trying to motion my wife back into the room. the loan lady reaches for the check and pushes them towards me telling me to check in here I do. I said two checks she asked for the amounts, I gave them to her and she said that's what I'm looking for... I'm like wuuuut??? But I did not say anything and just waited for Trich.

She comes through the door looking at me and shakes her head, then sees the loan lady with the two checks and start to go into a song and dance we had practice, and I was like hold on Trich. mrs. so an so, was going to tell us how we are paid up on EVERYTHING.. Then she goes though the hold contract/costs, and it comes back with a +balance of 8,000.00 Meaning.... Someone? Paid. the down payment. on our home. match what we put in and filled in the rest!!!!

They have no idea who just that it's paid. My mom dad and her mom (plus our guys/employees and you 'good people') are the only ones who know we were closing on our house today and knew we did not have the money.

Idk what to say. I knew God would come through... but not like this I guess there is still tons I don't know. Or maybe one of you came through I truly dn't know. I do have paper work that shows me owning the money in the builder's contract and I show a positive balance in the closing construction contract. This is such a big deal for us. it takes off so much weight of gearing up for the summer and in the way of getting the house and fence we wanted.

If any of you ever want to see the paper work I'll show you...

The salesman said he got the paper work a few days ahead of us and saw what he thought was an error, but did not want to get our hopes up. he said he has no idea how what or why this happened. nothing like it has ever happened in the 20+ years he had been there. but it's all legit.

Hope while in the impossible.. Over and over and over again. That is God.

Like peter in the lake, If we will follow Him God will take us out Deep and well beyond anyone's ability to help us. So that when we do get that Help we know it was God. I do not know how people can live life devoid of any hope any miraculous intervention any reliable "help me God get out of this one."

I followed God out into the lake and He got quiet. So I kept walking based on what I knew of God and where I was supposed to be, and low and behold He was waiting for me when I got to the other side!

Then shortly there afterwords the flood gates opened again, and I've already got orders for months to come. and better yet I've got direction again.

(April 26, 2017 at 4:42 pm)Drich Wrote: So today was the day of days.

It was time to pay the piper and our deal sill had not come through/funding has not cleared the bank.

We were supposed to bring a 480.00 for back taxes on the land a check for 38.00 for processing of the loan and a 8500 check for the balance of our down payment.

We had everything except the 8500.00 and no way for anything to happen. Out of belief in what I know of God we went. I not saying I had faith he was going to make the deal go through, I am saying we went because I know God would make things clear. (know whether we were supposed to peruse this house or not.)

So on a new construction loan closing you have to close on the house designs, modifications and the rest, and on the loan paper work. The loan paper work is where I knew we'd be in trouble. The builder office (2 hours away) is where we met the builder and loan people. and we were sweating it pretty hard saying our own prayers in traffic all the way up there.

Then they rushed us to the front of the line when we got to the builder, and sat us down and started the signing fest. I signed the builders stuff for like an hour. Had my wife at the end check the email and phone, and every stupid facebook notification and instagram notification I got before then, I almost knocked over the table to check my phone to see if it was wire transfer we have been waiting on. no dice.

Then the dreaded finance part. first thing she asked for checks (before me wife had even come back. it was obvious we had an envelope on the table and it had checks in it and one was a cashiers check) So I played dumb as I was trying to motion my wife back into the room. the loan lady reaches for the check and pushes them towards me telling me to check in here I do. I said two checks she asked for the amounts, I gave them to her and she said that's what I'm looking for... I'm like wuuuut??? But I did not say anything and just waited for Trich.

She comes through the door looking at me and shakes her head, then sees the loan lady with the two checks and start to go into a song and dance we had practice, and I was like hold on Trich. mrs. so an so, was going to tell us how we are paid up on EVERYTHING.. Then she goes though the hold contract/costs, and it comes back with a +balance of 8,000.00 Meaning.... Someone? Paid. the down payment. on our home. match what we put in and filled in the rest!!!!

They have no idea who just that it's paid. My mom dad and her mom (plus our guys/employees and you 'good people') are the only ones who know we were closing on our house today and knew we did not have the money.

Idk what to say. I knew God would come through... but not like this I guess there is still tons I don't know. Or maybe one of you came through I truly dn't know. I do have paper work that shows me owning the money in the builder's contract and I show a positive balance in the closing construction contract. This is such a big deal for us. it takes off so much weight of gearing up for the summer and in the way of getting the house and fence we wanted.

If any of you ever want to see the paper work I'll show you...

The salesman said he got the paper work a few days ahead of us and saw what he thought was an error, but did not want to get our hopes up. he said he has no idea how what or why this happened. nothing like it has ever happened in the 20+ years he had been there. but it's all legit.

Hope while in the impossible.. Over and over and over again. That is God.

Like peter in the lake, If we will follow Him God will take us out Deep and well beyond anyone's ability to help us. So that when we do get that Help we know it was God. I do not know how people can live life devoid of any hope any miraculous intervention any reliable "help me God get out of this one."

I followed God out into the lake and He got quiet. So I kept walking based on what I knew of God and where I was supposed to be, and low and behold He was waiting for me when I got to the other side!

Then shortly there afterwords the flood gates opened again, and I've already got orders for months to come. and better yet I've got direction again.

How can you possibly worship a god that would help you get your loans and property, yet let over 9 million children under 5, die every year in pain, hunger and terror? And I am sure many of their parents are are praying just as hard as you ever have.

The Indonesian tsunami of 2004 took 250,000 people of all ages, and your god sits back and lets that many children under 5 die every 1.5 weeks.

That you believe that your your god is good by making sure your loan went through and you got your property, yet sits back and lets children die in vast numbers without doing a thing, just shows how your religion has caused you to lose your moral compass.

A god that would act like this, deserves to be fought against by every moral man and woman on the planet.

The worst possible universe I can imagine, is one where your god actually exists.

Somebody must like you drich. You should probably find out who gave you that money and send them a thank you card. Drooling over your miracle working sky fairy is just wasting time.