...."Facist Doctrine"

As an Atheist I regard ALL religions as fairytales and utter nonsense. Childish even. But since years living in Amsterdam in a (almost) Sharia neighbourhood, I believe Islam is not a religion but something else. A Nazi-style doctrine. It is not comparable with modern Christianity or e.g. Hinduism.

Almost all Islamic countries (except for example Indonesia and Turkey) do NOT have a clear "atheistic" separation between Religion and State in their constitution, like we have in the West. Christianity has been nullified ages ago. The Church has no political power, ofc they have influence in the West. This especially means Islam in most Islamic countries do not have a modern side or more "enlightened" side, it is just The Quran and the word of Allah. Perhaps some minor Islamic groups (alevi's) are less extreme, but most live exactly by the book, also in the modern world.

Claiming this about Islam in Holland or Europe is relativly easy and everybody knows what I mean. Claiming this in the US, or a US based forum, always brings up weird American replies, like: we should treat all religions the same, or ofc Islam is a religion, are you fking retard.....etc?

But why should we treat all religions the same just because they ARE religions ?

There is a strong movement in the U.S. for a Christian take over of the government. This is no less fascist than Sharia.

Impossible. It goes against US constitution.

(June 14, 2017 at 6:51 am)Omnisofos Wrote: Impossible. It goes against US constitution.

So is racial discrimination but it happens.

yes Islam in its core is POLITICAL doctrine from its origins
it differs from other religions I agree!

I think it depends on where people live as to their attitude.

I live and work around mainly Pakistani Muslims.  So obviously I've seen the best and worst of that culture, while where I live Christian culture doesn't exist much beyond a few chavs who get a Jesus tattoo even though the bible says not to get tattoos.  And there's the odd church.

The Christians where I live just don't stay indoctrinated much beyond the age of around 10.  Whereas even teenagers, usually the most rebellious age group, stay fairly well indoctrinated in Islamic, Pakistani communities. Just thinking about it now, I don't think I've met an atheist or even slightly doubtful Pakistani, Indian or Bengali before in my life.

Where I work the Muslims believe in the death penalty for homosexuality. There's no hostility by them towards homosexuals in the work place, they just believe that the correct punishment is death in an ideal society. There's been the child grooming/gang rape cases all over the UK involving pakistani gangs.  And there's been a fair bit of violence towards people of other races and religions who aren't Pakistani or Muslim.  That seems to have calmed down now over the years, at least in my area.

But I do probably live in a specific type of area in the UK.  There's probably other people who live in the UK on here who might not even see many Muslims on a day to day basis. 

But that's just where I live. I'd be willing to bet that there's crazy violent Christians elsewhere.  I've seen documentaries about America's more religious areas and I'll bet it can be rough living as an atheist there.

So me living in this part of the north west in the UK, and you living in the part of Amsterdam you live in, we might both have valid worries about Islam.  But to an American or someone who lives perhaps in the countryside in the UK, these worries will seem irrelevant to their life.

(June 14, 2017 at 7:05 am)dilmoona Wrote: yes Islam in its core is POLITICAL doctrine from its origins
it differs from other religions I agree!

All religions get political. Islam is no different. It is a religion which has political implications and makes political recommendations.

But it is a religion, not a political doctrine.

If it involves a sky fairy, it's a religion. But not all religions need a sky fairy.
Most go for the afterlife carrot, so yeah, there's a bloke in the sky who grants it, apparently.

(June 14, 2017 at 6:51 am)Omnisofos Wrote: Impossible. It goes against US constitution.

So does the words "in God we trust", which is clearly printed on our money and in some cases, on police vehicles in certain towns/states.
So does the words "one nation under God", which is clearly said in our pledge of allegiance.

A lot of things go against our constitution. Doesn't stop them from happening though.