(June 26, 2017 at 10:35 am)SteveII Wrote: 2. The NT was the last complete revelation from God (which includes saying that it is the last complete revelation from God until the end of time). It has everything in it to have judged the actions of burning witches as entirely contrary to the will of God. 

So, your unchanging god, changed his mind?

Why didn't he change his mind about slavery?

Does anyone have an answer to this: Why did god flip-flop so that prior to Jeebus, he had to drown the world, burn down Sodom and Gomorrah, and all that jazz, and yet somehow, arbitrarily, as a result of nothing more than time, suddenly decided to be merciful (albeit very, very, VERY selectively merciful)? It makes no fucking sense.

I believe the bible is the word of God.


Beccs, be a good lass and make me a sammich and grab me a beer after you get my slippers! (And you're not allowed to back chat or stab me with your scalpel, mmmm k?)
I fucking love the bible, I do!

(June 26, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Lek Wrote: The message of the Holy Spirit is always true.  Individuals who perform evil in the name of the Holy Spirit are not following him.  Do some people commit evil in the name of God?  Sure.  People commit evil in the name of many things and may even think they're doing the right thing.  We should always check our desires against scripture.  In the case of burning witches, the bible doesn't condone it.  It may have been commanded to the old testament Israelites, but not to us.  God's covenant with Moses had it's purposes and his covenant with his followers after the cross has it's purposes.

Then please explain 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12:

'For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.'

If the message of the Holy Spirit is always true, why does God deliberately delude people?

Boru

Burning witches was also a way for priests and pastors to get their sexually repressed rocks off.

(June 26, 2017 at 4:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 4:25 pm)SteveII Wrote: Then stop mis-characterizing Christianity in almost every one of your posts so I don't have to explain it to you. 

Like is said above. I am certain they do exist. What does that matter to any of the points you brought up?

Steve, are you really ready to go down on record as saying that you actually believe that there were/are people who, like the witch King Solomon consulted to speak to Samuel after he was dead, are able to summon dead spirits?

This wasn't like one of the charlatans we have today who claim you still owe them for a reading from a past life. According to the bible, Samuel's dead spirit actually responded to the witch's summons and cursed Solomon.

And this you believe? Well, yes, in that case nothing that I've said in this thread applies to you.

If you believe in the supernatural, why is it a stretch to believe that people can involve themselves in the occult and really interact with the supernatural? I don't believe demons have the power to affect our daily lives. But I believe that if a person really wants to initiate a connection, it is possible.

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(June 26, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 10:35 am)SteveII Wrote: 2. The NT was the last complete revelation from God (which includes saying that it is the last complete revelation from God until the end of time). It has everything in it to have judged the actions of burning witches as entirely contrary to the will of God. 

So, your unchanging god, changed his mind?

Why didn't he change his mind about slavery?

No, he did not change his mind. He started talking about Jesus in Genesis and it is clear that the whole plan culminated in the events of the NT.

What exactly is God's position on slavery? Do you think because he gave laws to a bronze age, recently enslaved, nation surrounded by nations that kept slaves, with no government safety net anywhere to take care of the destitute that that represented his position on slavery? I don't believe it did because the NT revelation clearly is in conflict with that. It was a necessary instruction for a specific time, a specific people that we cannot know the ramifications of a different system.

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(June 26, 2017 at 6:09 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 5:54 pm)Astonished Wrote: And HOW FUCKING DARE YOU lay that accusation on the world, you stupid, uncaring, piece of human shit. 

First of all, I don't believe that one's time in hell is everlasting.  Secondly, I don't waste my time in discussion with someone who doesn't want to argue respectfully and I don't appreciate being called names.  So talk to the hand.

Typical new atheist: angry, knows so little about what he is arguing about. Thinks the force of his inch-deep arguments are all that is needed to persuade the world of the rightness of his position and is confused and angry when Christianity continues to grow on one end of the spectrum and atheism languishes as a small sliver of the pie at the other end, generation after generation.

(June 27, 2017 at 8:25 am)SteveII Wrote: Typical new atheist: angry, knows so little about what he is arguing about. Thinks the force of his inch-deep arguments are all that is needed to persuade the world of the rightness of his position and is confused and angry when Christianity continues to grow on one end of the spectrum and atheism languishes as a small sliver of the pie at the other end, generation after generation.

Steve,

You know that this is absolutely false; that religious fundamentalism is in decline and secularism is on the rise.  Geesh, a mere 400 years ago anyone who was an atheist would have had their tongue torn from their mouth and then would be dragged kicking and screaming to the town square to be burned alive at the stake.  And, so, yes, times have changed, and are changing!

(June 27, 2017 at 10:28 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 27, 2017 at 8:25 am)SteveII Wrote: Typical new atheist: angry, knows so little about what he is arguing about. Thinks the force of his inch-deep arguments are all that is needed to persuade the world of the rightness of his position and is confused and angry when Christianity continues to grow on one end of the spectrum and atheism languishes as a small sliver of the pie at the other end, generation after generation.

Steve,

You know that this is absolutely false; that religious fundamentalism is in decline and secularism is on the rise.  Geesh, a mere 400 years ago anyone who was an atheist would have had their tongue torn from their mouth and then would be dragged kicking and screaming to the town square to be burned alive at the stake.  And, so, yes, times have changed, and are changing!

No, you have to distinguish between what you would like to see and what really is happening. There are more and more Christians in the world every year and atheism remains stagnant. Pew projects 750,000,000 more Christians (not even counting other religions) by 2050 and just 30,000,000 more atheists. That's 25:1. 

Come on Jehanne--you need to do better getting your compelling message out there! You're slacking!

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/relig...2010-2050/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...opulation/

(June 27, 2017 at 10:28 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 27, 2017 at 8:25 am)SteveII Wrote: Typical new atheist: angry, knows so little about what he is arguing about. Thinks the force of his inch-deep arguments are all that is needed to persuade the world of the rightness of his position and is confused and angry when Christianity continues to grow on one end of the spectrum and atheism languishes as a small sliver of the pie at the other end, generation after generation.

Steve,

You know that this is absolutely false; that religious fundamentalism is in decline and secularism is on the rise.  Geesh, a mere 400 years ago anyone who was an atheist would have had their tongue torn from their mouth and then would be dragged kicking and screaming to the town square to be burned alive at the stake.  And, so, yes, times have changed, and are changing!

And people like Steve would have stood there cheering while it was done!

Fine xtians.

how much screaming do folks do after their tongues are ripped out ?