(July 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

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Why would I even be interested in those who do not believe in the Bible or even those who partially believe it. There is no proof of redaction of scripture, no one that I know of has ever shown that anyone tried to obscure the meaning of scripture. We believe there was some small additions in the NT but nothing that changed the meaning of scripture. No proof has ever been given of the scriptures being written other than the time period they occurred or, in prophecy, before they occurred. Until the original documents are found this want happen either.  Just what do you think might be found "just outside of Egypt," as you say. Only a few Israelites entered Egypt and they grew in population from those, this is plainly stated in scripture. So anything and everything they had would be of Egyptian influence, so looking for traditional Hebrew artifacts wouldn't help. God sent them to Egypt to grow His nation of chosen people and took them out to show them His power and for a future reference to His redeeming power through Christ.

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I think that you have been brainwashed; your belief is a sickness, which almost ruined my life.  My biggest regret is one of having been raised as an evangelical Christian and then abandoning it only to return, like a dog, to my vomit.

But, let's talk about this:

Quote:The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses, is a comma (a short clause) found in Latin manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century.[2] The first Greek manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century.[3] The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.[3] The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] As the comma does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages, the debate is mainly limited to the English-speaking world due to the King James Only movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

Like I stated and you ignored there has been a few passages Christian scholars believed were placed in the NT, but they haven't changed the message or meaning of the scriptures. Now with this said a second time and finial time why didn't you address the Israelite artifacts?
I haven't been brain washed, I closely examine many things of the scriptures and I'm sure that I do not have a sickness of the kind you are suggesting. It's too bad that you believed you were brainwashed but hey we'll all find out in the end of our lives, right.

GC

(July 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

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Why would I even be interested in those who do not believe in the Bible or even those who partially believe it. There is no proof of redaction of scripture, no one that I know of has ever shown that anyone tried to obscure the meaning of scripture. We believe there was some small additions in the NT but nothing that changed the meaning of scripture. No proof has ever been given of the scriptures being written other than the time period they occurred or, in prophecy, before they occurred. Until the original documents are found this want happen either.  Just what do you think might be found "just outside of Egypt," as you say. Only a few Israelites entered Egypt and they grew in population from those, this is plainly stated in scripture. So anything and everything they had would be of Egyptian influence, so looking for traditional Hebrew artifacts wouldn't help. God sent them to Egypt to grow His nation of chosen people and took them out to show them His power and for a future reference to His redeeming power through Christ.

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I think that you have been brainwashed; your belief is a sickness, which almost ruined my life.  My biggest regret is one of having been raised as an evangelical Christian and then abandoning it only to return, like a dog, to my vomit.

But, let's talk about this:

Quote:The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses, is a comma (a short clause) found in Latin manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century.[2] The first Greek manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century.[3] The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.[3] The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] As the comma does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages, the debate is mainly limited to the English-speaking world due to the King James Only movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

Like I stated and you ignored there has been a few passages Christian scholars believed were placed in the NT, but they haven't changed the message or meaning of the scriptures. Now with this said a second time and finial time why didn't you address the Israelite artifacts?
I haven't been brain washed, I closely examine many things of the scriptures and I'm sure that I do not have a sickness of the kind you are suggesting. It's too bad that you believed you were brainwashed but hey we'll all find out in the end of our lives, right.

GC

(July 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Why would I even be interested in those who do not believe in the Bible or even those who partially believe it. There is no proof of redaction of scripture, no one that I know of has ever shown that anyone tried to obscure the meaning of scripture. We believe there was some small additions in the NT but nothing that changed the meaning of scripture. No proof has ever been given of the scriptures being written other than the time period they occurred or, in prophecy, before they occurred. Until the original documents are found this want happen either.  Just what do you think might be found "just outside of Egypt," as you say. Only a few Israelites entered Egypt and they grew in population from those, this is plainly stated in scripture. So anything and everything they had would be of Egyptian influence, so looking for traditional Hebrew artifacts wouldn't help. God sent them to Egypt to grow His nation of chosen people and took them out to show them His power and for a future reference to His redeeming power through Christ.

I think that you have been brainwashed; your belief is a sickness, which almost ruined my life.  My biggest regret is one of having been raised as an evangelical Christian and then abandoning it only to return, like a dog, to my vomit.

But, let's talk about this:

Quote:The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses, is a comma (a short clause) found in Latin manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century.[2] The first Greek manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century.[3] The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.[3] The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] As the comma does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages, the debate is mainly limited to the English-speaking world due to the King James Only movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

I said that there were a few verses that biblical scholars say were added to the NT (it seems you chose to ignore my statement), even some of my Bibles note this. However they haven't changed the message nor meaning of the scriptures. In actuality we do not know those verse were not in the original writings though they probably were not.
I'm neither brainwashed nor sick as you suggest and I think it's unfortunate for you that you have mislead yourself, but at the end of life we will all find out, right.

GC

(July 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Why would I even be interested in those who do not believe in the Bible or even those who partially believe it. There is no proof of redaction of scripture, no one that I know of has ever shown that anyone tried to obscure the meaning of scripture. We believe there was some small additions in the NT but nothing that changed the meaning of scripture. No proof has ever been given of the scriptures being written other than the time period they occurred or, in prophecy, before they occurred. Until the original documents are found this want happen either.  Just what do you think might be found "just outside of Egypt," as you say. Only a few Israelites entered Egypt and they grew in population from those, this is plainly stated in scripture. So anything and everything they had would be of Egyptian influence, so looking for traditional Hebrew artifacts wouldn't help. God sent them to Egypt to grow His nation of chosen people and took them out to show them His power and for a future reference to His redeeming power through Christ.

I think that you have been brainwashed; your belief is a sickness, which almost ruined my life.  My biggest regret is one of having been raised as an evangelical Christian and then abandoning it only to return, like a dog, to my vomit.

But, let's talk about this:

Quote:The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses, is a comma (a short clause) found in Latin manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century.[2] The first Greek manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century.[3] The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.[3] The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] As the comma does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages, the debate is mainly limited to the English-speaking world due to the King James Only movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

I said that there were a few verses that biblical scholars say were added to the NT (it seems you chose to ignore my statement), even some of my Bibles note this. However they haven't changed the message nor meaning of the scriptures. In actuality we do not know those verse were not in the original writings though they probably were not.
I'm neither brainwashed nor sick as you suggest and I think it's unfortunate for you that you have mislead yourself, but at the end of life we will all find out, right.

GC

(July 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Why would I even be interested in those who do not believe in the Bible or even those who partially believe it. There is no proof of redaction of scripture, no one that I know of has ever shown that anyone tried to obscure the meaning of scripture. We believe there was some small additions in the NT but nothing that changed the meaning of scripture. No proof has ever been given of the scriptures being written other than the time period they occurred or, in prophecy, before they occurred. Until the original documents are found this want happen either.  Just what do you think might be found "just outside of Egypt," as you say. Only a few Israelites entered Egypt and they grew in population from those, this is plainly stated in scripture. So anything and everything they had would be of Egyptian influence, so looking for traditional Hebrew artifacts wouldn't help. God sent them to Egypt to grow His nation of chosen people and took them out to show them His power and for a future reference to His redeeming power through Christ.

I think that you have been brainwashed; your belief is a sickness, which almost ruined my life.  My biggest regret is one of having been raised as an evangelical Christian and then abandoning it only to return, like a dog, to my vomit.

But, let's talk about this:

Quote:The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses, is a comma (a short clause) found in Latin manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century.[2] The first Greek manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century.[3] The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.[3] The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] As the comma does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages, the debate is mainly limited to the English-speaking world due to the King James Only movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

 This is the third time trying to post to your comment, even when I try to save to draft the site want let me. I said that a few passages had been added to the NT and I have Bibles that note this. What we do not know is whither those verses were in the originals, though I doubt they were. You must have ignored what I stated or you just needed a reason to throw out some old material.

I'm neither brainwashed nor sick and I think it's to bad you have deluded yourself out of believing, but in the end we all will find out, right.

(July 3, 2017 at 8:37 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I'm neither brainwashed nor sick and I think it's to bad you have deluded yourself out of believing, but in the end we all will find out, right.

If death is nothingness, an endless, dreamless sleep, then, no, you won't find out, and neither will I.  My belief in the Christian god was no different than centuries of belief in fairies.  I got to a point in my life where I, finally, abandoned it; I only wish that I would have arrived at that determination much, much earlier in life.  So many wasted years...

(July 3, 2017 at 11:52 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 8:37 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I'm neither brainwashed nor sick and I think it's to bad you have deluded yourself out of believing, but in the end we all will find out, right.

If death is nothingness, an endless, dreamless sleep, then, no, you won't find out, and neither will I.  My belief in the Christian god was no different than centuries of belief in fairies.  I got to a point in my life where I, finally, abandoned it; I only wish that I would have arrived at that determination much, much earlier in life.  So many wasted years...

 Did you try and study the protestant side of Christianity before you leaped.

GC

(July 4, 2017 at 12:07 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 11:52 pm)Jehanne Wrote: If death is nothingness, an endless, dreamless sleep, then, no, you won't find out, and neither will I.  My belief in the Christian god was no different than centuries of belief in fairies.  I got to a point in my life where I, finally, abandoned it; I only wish that I would have arrived at that determination much, much earlier in life.  So many wasted years...

 Did you try and study the protestant side of Christianity before you leaped.

GC

I did. It wasn't too special.

(July 4, 2017 at 12:07 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 11:52 pm)Jehanne Wrote: If death is nothingness, an endless, dreamless sleep, then, no, you won't find out, and neither will I.  My belief in the Christian god was no different than centuries of belief in fairies.  I got to a point in my life where I, finally, abandoned it; I only wish that I would have arrived at that determination much, much earlier in life.  So many wasted years...

 Did you try and study the protestant side of Christianity before you leaped.

GC

I was raised in Protestant evangelical Christianity.  I love the quote by Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, "A single friar who goes counter to all Christianity for a thousand years must be wrong. I have decided to mobilize everything against Luther: my kingdoms and dominions, my friends, my body, my blood, and my soul."

Protestant Christianity is a joke.  John Calvin taught that God had predestined some (the Elect) to everlasting bliss while he had predestined others (the Reprobate) to everlasting torments, infants included.  The Roman Church taught that infants who died without Baptism were forever consigned to Limbo, the uppermost level of Hell, while others said that infants are covered by The Atonement, and those who die are in Paradise.

Christianity is a man-made religion where no one can agree on anything.  I used to have arguments, while in college, if there was going to be 1,000 years of peace ("the Millennium") after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.  We used to argue if The Rapture would happen at the beginning of The 7-year Tribulation, or during the middle or at the end.

So, sorry!  I SHOULD have been studying during this period of my life, preparing for graduate school; instead, I blew my studies on religious nonsense, and I will go to my grave regretting how much time I wasted in non-productive bullshit.

(July 4, 2017 at 9:40 am)Jehanne Wrote: I was raised in Protestant evangelical Christianity.  I love the quote by Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, "A single friar who goes counter to all Christianity for a thousand years must be wrong. I have decided to mobilize everything against Luther: my kingdoms and dominions, my friends, my body, my blood, and my soul."

Protestant Christianity is a joke.  John Calvin taught that God had predestined some (the Elect) to everlasting bliss while he had predestined others (the Reprobate) to everlasting torments, infants included.  The Roman Church taught that infants who died without Baptism were forever consigned to Limbo, the uppermost level of Hell, while others said that infants are covered by The Atonement, and those who die are in Paradise.

Christianity is a man-made religion where no one can agree on anything.  I used to have arguments, while in college, if there was going to be 1,000 years of peace ("the Millennium") after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.  We used to argue if The Rapture would happen at the beginning of The 7-year Tribulation, or during the middle or at the end.

So, sorry!  I SHOULD have been studying during this period of my life, preparing for graduate school; instead, I blew my studies on religious nonsense, and I will go to my grave regretting how much time I wasted in non-productive bullshit.

No sense in blaming christianity because you spent your time arguing worthless stuff instead of pursuing your graduate degree. I wasted my time pursuing alcohol, drugs and women, but I don't blame them. I blame myself. What great things would you accomplish before you die if you had a graduate degree?