(July 14, 2017 at 6:38 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(July 14, 2017 at 8:39 am)A Theist Wrote: Why don't you join one and find out. If you don't go on their sites looking for a fight and start calling everyone there Nazis, racists, bigots, like some here on the forum do to people they disagree with, you might be well received.
Although, I don't believe atheism has anything to do with whether or not a person is either open minded or close minded. I think that has more to do with which political side a person embraces. Left wingers are far more hateful, authoritarian, and much less tolerant of opposing opinions than those on the right.

I guess it's your open mind that compels you to come here for 8 years when you think we're all that.

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(July 14, 2017 at 10:42 am)A Theist Wrote: WTF. Are you responding to my comment or are you rattling off a strawman rant to an argument I didn't make. My argument wasn't against atheists. It was against the bigotry and intolerance of the hateful authoritarians on the left. But, what else can a person expect from an ABBA loving strawman mother fucker. ABBA sucks spotted goat dicks. They're the worse group that ever was. I'd rather drink cold piss out of a dirty ass paper cup than to listen that ABBA shit! Anyone who would have ABBA as their avatar would fucking pick their nose and use the snot for sandwich spread! I would rather listen to Blue Grass and Rap than to hear that ABBA shit. The Stones were much better. Even Menudo and Milli Vanilli were better than ABBA! Fuck ABBA.

That response didn't have anything to do with your strawman rant, though, did it.

Paul: And whatsoever you do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God.

A Theist: Okay. I said WTF in the name of Jesus so these stupid atheist fuckheads can see how commuted I am to my beliefs and want what I have. I give God thanks for giving me such a powerful testimony.

No argument there. No true committed Christian would use the kind of language that I do. I'm a backslider. It's been awhile since I've practiced the faith.

Where did I say, stupid atheist fuckheads? Stupid leftwing fuckheads, yes.

(July 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 14, 2017 at 6:38 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: I guess it's your open mind that compels you to come here for 8 years when you think we're all that.

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Paul: And whatsoever you do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God.

A Theist: Okay. I said WTF in the name of Jesus so these stupid atheist fuckheads can see how  commuted I am to my beliefs and want what I have. I give God thanks for giving me such a powerful testimony.

No argument there. No true committed Christian would use the kind of language that I do. I'm a backslider. It's been awhile since I've practiced the faith.

Where did I say, stupid atheist fuckheads? Stupid leftwing fuckheads, yes.

Guess you oughtta get right with your sect's version of jeebus before your tainted soul burns in hell fire for the remainder of the life of the universe, plus 7 years, son.

so pointing out right wingers acting like bigots apparently makes the criticizer a bigot. Because bigotry is "just disagreeing ". As for the examples cherry picking at it's finest .

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Look at those bigots . Hitler and the Nazi's were just disagreeing with the free world how intolerant

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Or as Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."

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Or

Quote:From March 28 to March 30, 2010, nine people thought to be Hutaree members were arrested in police raids in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana (in Hammond), for their alleged involvement in a plot to kill various police officers and possibly civilians using illegal explosives and/or firearms.[11] An undercover agent played a role in the investigation that led to indictments. Grand jury testimony by a law enforcement officer referred to an "undercover FBI agent" who worked on the case; the FBI declined to comment, but infiltration is a common tactic for law-enforcement officials targeting domestic militia groups.[12] The FBI informant was later revealed to be Hal Turner

(July 14, 2017 at 10:42 am)A Theist Wrote:

(July 14, 2017 at 9:08 am)Brian37 Wrote: Once again the theists, and hate to say it even liberal theists pull this bullshit too, you cannot separate hate of bad logic and hate of those who use their interpretations of ANY holy writing to justify bigotry and oppression.

Why the fuck should anyone here apologize to a theists who picks up a book and says "This here is God giving me permission to be a dick to my fellow human". 

Atheist, "If your book tells you t be a dick to others no, I will not stay silent."


You, "How dare you not tolerate my intolerance".

GET A CLUE, there is a huge difference between a government's duty to protect all religious labels equally by law, and the separate issue of the credibility of the claim itself. 

Yea asshole, if your religion tells you can be dicks to LGBT and Muslims and Hispanics and atheists, then yea, FUCK YOU. 

I cannot see how you'd rightfully point to the theocracies of the middle east, and their brutality to mostly each other, but also to minority Christians and gays and atheists, then think it is ok for our right here to be dicks, a watered down dick is still a fucking dick. How about not being a dick?

Most of the atheists here, including me, DO NOT desire to force religion out of existence via government. But if you pick up your book and think that gives you some moral superior rights over all others, well what can I say? No, and fuck you. Yes I hate asshole bigots. 

Kurdish and Coptic Christians, Shiites living under Sunnis, Sunnis living under Shiites, LGBT and non Muslims in the theocracies of the east, they are victims, not you. You having your God picked on only means you got your God picked on. You have no fucking clue what oppression is. 

Yes I do hate assholes who think they own the planet and think it is the duty of others never to question them. And if we hated you that much you wouldn't be here. We hate your logic yes. We hate that religion allows you to ignore that it does cause human divisions. 


Go live in Saudi Arabia or Iran for a while then come back here and lecture us about what "hate" is.

WTF. Are you responding to my comment or are you rattling off a strawman rant to an argument I didn't make. My argument wasn't against atheists. It was against the bigotry and intolerance of the hateful authoritarians on the left. But, what else can a person expect from an ABBA loving strawman mother fucker. ABBA sucks spotted goat dicks. They're the worse group that ever was. I'd rather drink cold piss out of a dirty ass paper cup than to listen that ABBA shit! Anyone who would have ABBA as their avatar would fucking pick their nose and use the snot for sandwich spread! I would rather listen to Blue Grass and Rap than to hear that ABBA shit. The Stones were much better. Even Menudo and Milli Vanilli were better than ABBA! Fuck ABBA.

That response didn't have anything to do with your strawman rant, though, did it.

When I start an ABBA religion and base my threats to you on ABBA then you can bitch. When I start a religion based on ABBA and run an entire country based on oppressive politics based on ABBA then you can bitch. But that will never happen. Now why don't assholes like you get back to me when you can keep your religion out of politics. 

Grow the fuck up crybaby. Kurdish and Coptic Christians and gays and non Muslims in the east living in theocracies have a right to bitch. In America Christianity even today is the majority. Nobody wants to make it illegal so fucking knock it off asshole. But that does not mean that same book entitles fuckface bigots to use law to deny rights to minorities or control women's bodies. 

I am sorry it bothers you in the west that other people exist and are equal to you. NO you do not have to go way, but fuck you if you think there is a social pecking order sanctioned by government favoring your interpretation of a book over all others. 

You have no fucking clue what oppression is. You are just a spoiled self entitled brat getting angry that others are not staying quiet sitting at the back of the bus to placate your insecurities. 

Take your Frank Burns "poor me" false persecution bullshit and shove it. I am part of the "left" that is not exclusive to atheists or theists. Instead of getting angry at me, how about you get angry at theists who use their books to justify being dicks to their fellow humans?

Quote:Not quite. The biggest crock of bullshit is the right pretending to be tolerant and caring when in fact they're the worst of the worse when it comes to being destructive, bigoted and intolerant, and hateful authoritarians

There fixed that for you and for further improvement

Quote:Not quite. The fact the left  to be tolerant and caring when as  fact they're the best  of the best when it comes to being productive, tolerant, and loving liberations

There now the statement reflects reality


As for the video's they can be dismissed as cherry picking .And the poster just change left to right and then all is good . And A Asshole can be dismissed as a right wing extremist loon .

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Quote:everyone there Nazis, racists, bigots, like some here on the forum do to people they disagree

Or you could call people who act like Nazi's ,Racists ,Bigots , And hold and express views that are all the above what they are . Instead of giving into right wing political correctness . Where all the above is redefined as "disagreement".

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Christians in America are the most  pandered to privileged majority in human history . The are just whining the special privileges of the past are gone . And that there bullshit can now be called such without punishment . Cry us a river.

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Quote:WTF. Are you responding to my comment or are you rattling off a strawman rant to an argument I didn't make. My argument wasn't against atheists. It was against the bigotry and intolerance of the hateful authoritarians on the left. But, what else can a person expect from an ABBA loving strawman mother fucker. ABBA sucks spotted goat dicks. They're the worse group that ever was. I'd rather drink cold piss out of a dirty ass paper cup than to listen that ABBA shit! Anyone who would have ABBA as their avatar would fucking pick their nose and use the snot for sandwich spread! I would rather listen to Blue Grass and Rap than to hear that ABBA shit. The Stones were much better. Even Menudo and Milli Vanilli were better than ABBA! Fuck ABBA.

That response didn't have anything to do with your strawman rant, though, did it.

Yes as opposed to  your unhinged rant  that has already been debunked above ass clown. Now go suck Trump tiny tangerine balls like a good little bitch.

(July 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm)A Theist Wrote: No argument there. No true committed Christian would use the kind of language that I do. I'm a backslider. It's been awhile since I've practiced the faith.

Where did I say, stupid atheist fuckheads? Stupid leftwing fuckheads, yes.

I give you kudos for your honesty.

Yes, I was beginning to suspect this was more about politics than religion. But so many Christians seem to think god is a conservative republican. I put you in that crowd, and for that I apologize.

Now, it's your turn to take me out of the crowd of leftest atheist or whatever. I used to think of myself as a liberal when I didn't even have enough money to be liberal with. Now, if I have to take a label, I'm a conservative democrat. If that makes no sense, good, because I don't fit squarely into anybody's box.

(July 15, 2017 at 9:47 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(July 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm)A Theist Wrote: No argument there. No true committed Christian would use the kind of language that I do. I'm a backslider. It's been awhile since I've practiced the faith.

Where did I say, stupid atheist fuckheads? Stupid leftwing fuckheads, yes.

I give you kudos for your honesty.

Yes, I was beginning to suspect this was more about politics than religion. But so many Christians seem to think god is a conservative republican. I put you in that crowd, and for that I apologize.

Now, it's your turn to take me out of the crowd of leftest atheist or whatever.  I used to think of myself as a liberal when I didn't even have enough money to be liberal with. Now, if I have to take a label, I'm a conservative democrat. If that makes no sense, good, because I don't fit squarely into anybody's box.

If you are for equality on social issues, but value the same economic policies of "don't tax the rich", that'd be a Libertarian, not a democrat. 

Economic conservative can be socially liberal, but my point would be we've done the economic conservative crap since Reagan. Higher taxes on billionaires will not kill them. Livable wages will not kill them. 

I have mention before that my mom left me a very nice egg. I have more to complain about as far as being taxed on that considering it has to last anywhere from 15 to 30 years depending on how long I live. If however, I was making the same amount as a CEO every year, and not the lump sum one time deal, if it were a yearly salary no, I would not complain one bit about taxes. 

Workers in the middle class and the working poor need a break, not billionaires.

(July 15, 2017 at 9:47 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(July 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm)A Theist Wrote: No argument there. No true committed Christian would use the kind of language that I do. I'm a backslider. It's been awhile since I've practiced the faith.

Where did I say, stupid atheist fuckheads? Stupid leftwing fuckheads, yes.

I give you kudos for your honesty.

Yes, I was beginning to suspect this was more about politics than religion. But so many Christians seem to think god is a conservative republican. I put you in that crowd, and for that I apologize.

Now, it's your turn to take me out of the crowd of leftest atheist or whatever.  I used to think of myself as a liberal when I didn't even have enough money to be liberal with. Now, if I have to take a label, I'm a conservative democrat. If that makes no sense, good, because I don't fit squarely into anybody's box.

Thank you Rhondazvous. Much appreciated.

I raised the issue of politics because I believe the study mentioned in the OP is flawed. Like theists, atheists can't be pinned down to all believing the same way. Even in their views toward God they're different. Gnostic Atheists, Agnostic Atheists, Passive Atheists, Friendly Atheists, Indifferent Atheists,....even the well known atheist Richard Dawkins identifies himself as a "Cultural Christian". 





I think it's also falsely assumed that all atheists are left leaning. Like theists, atheists are all over the political map. For example, Capn Awesome seems to lean more toward the conservative side. Tiberius and Thump seem to be more Libertarian, while Mr. McGoofass Minimalist seems to be more of the old guard establishment liberal Democrat, and then there's the more far left members here, the Bernie Bros, and one who was posting here recently who seemed to be in line with the BAMN group. I don't know if you were around on AF at the time, but there was even a well known atheist Nazi sympathizer and holocaust denier who posted on here for a short time. Can't remember who it was, but a member recognized him and called him out. That guy didn't last long. So, I think a person's political / social beliefs are a better indicator to how open minded they are. Or, it could all be as simple as the individual's own personality trait whether they're fair minded or closed minded.

Actually, I do make a distinction between liberal and left, though. You seem to be fair minded enough to me. If you label yourself a conservative Democrat that's good enough for me as far as I'm concerned. Conservative Democrat does makes sense to me, actually. My Step Father identified himself as a conservative democrat.

As far as me, I identify with conservatives. But, my strong pro union stance would put me at odds with most Republicans.

(July 15, 2017 at 12:03 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 15, 2017 at 9:47 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: I give you kudos for your honesty.

Yes, I was beginning to suspect this was more about politics than religion. But so many Christians seem to think god is a conservative republican. I put you in that crowd, and for that I apologize.

Now, it's your turn to take me out of the crowd of leftest atheist or whatever.  I used to think of myself as a liberal when I didn't even have enough money to be liberal with. Now, if I have to take a label, I'm a conservative democrat. If that makes no sense, good, because I don't fit squarely into anybody's box.

Thank you Rhondazvous. Much appreciated.

I raised the issue of politics because I believe the study mentioned in the OP is flawed. Like theists, atheists can't be pinned down to all believing the same way. Even in their views toward God they're different. Gnostic Atheists, Agnostic Atheists, Passive Atheists, Friendly Atheists, Indifferent Atheists,....even the well known atheist Richard Dawkins identifies himself as a "Cultural Christian". 





I think it's also falsely assumed that all atheists are left leaning. Like theists, atheists are all over the political map. For example, Capn Awesome seems to lean more toward the conservative side. Tiberius and Thump seem to be more Libertarian, while Mr. McGoofass Minimalist seems to be more of the old guard establishment liberal Democrat, and then there's the more far left members here, the Bernie Bros, and one who was posting here recently who seemed to be in line with the BAMN group. I don't know if you were around on AF at the time, but there was even a well known atheist Nazi sympathizer and holocaust denier who posted on here for a short time. Can't remember who it was, but a member recognized him and called him out. That guy didn't last long. So, I think a person's political / social beliefs are a better indicator to how open minded they are. Or, it could all be as simple as the individual's own personality trait whether they're fair minded or closed minded.

Actually, I do make a distinction between liberal and left, though. You seem to be fair minded enough to me. If you label yourself a conservative Democrat that's good enough for me as far as I'm concerned. Conservative Democrat does makes sense to me, actually. My Step Father identified himself as a conservative democrat.

As far as me, I identify with conservatives. But, my strong pro union stance would put me at odds with most Republicans.

You did a lousy job of putting it this way in your prior posts.

Yes, atheists are diverse. Just like theists are diverse. 

If you think Republicans are ever going to give one fuck about unions after Reagan busted the air traffic control unions and have been union busting ever since, you are a fool. 

What is it about "conservatives" you identify with?

"Give billionaires tax breaks they don't need"?
" Deregulation since Reagan that has cause a bubble every decade since ending with Bush's triple whammy?"
" Xenophobia of LGBT, Hispanics, Muslims and control of women's bodies"?

You can call yourself a "Conservative democrat" if you wish, but if you stupidly think the things Reagan started and that the bigotry held by the far right is good for America, sorry, that will never be my idea of progress.

Conservatives DONT "conserve" they value selfishness greed and  "fuck you I got mine".

You claim to value unions but are willing to vote for a party that has destroyed worker bargaining power for 40 years? Yep, just as insane as Caitlynn Jenner being transgender and voting for a party that hates her. The insanity is that the GOP  has successfully gotten their supporters to vote against their own self interests.

Figured it would be a religious organization that carried out this study. That it was a Catholic organization makes it even funnier. The criminal organization that attacks womens bodily autonomy, LGBTQ+ rights, and protects child molesters simply because they wear the cloth. They are obviously the ones to conduct such a study, they don't have an ulterior motive at all.