I believe GC is talking to himself. I admit I cannot prove that.

GC is in touch with what he believes to be is the creator of the universe. That should be trivial to prove.

All we get is A/S/K or that we are not sincere. So much for omnipotence.

GC is talking to himself until otherwise demonstrated.I think he is delusional, and I am happy if that makes him behave well. I don't need that to be a well behaved human, and I don't think he needs that either. Travel GC, see the good and bad all around the world, and tell me what actually causes harm.

Education and the empowerment of women is demonstrably proven to increase wellbeing. Increased bible studies cause Ugandan anti-homo sexual laws and the spread of HIV because of the fear of protected sex.

The god you talk to is your own brain. Please travel and talk to other theists and you might learn something.

(July 15, 2017 at 8:32 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

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 I can agree with your first sentence to a point. Your second sentence needs some defining, religion is the practice of religious and formal things. These things are found in the worship services of Christian churches and they make up the whole of all other religions. practicing these things in no way makes one a Christian it's impossible and the evidence is in the Bible. Paul and the other writers of the NT state plainly that no amount of works can save you. If you do not trust in Jesus as your savior and come to live in a relationship with Him you are lost as last years Easter egg. The NT writings of Paul tell us that we can come to know God regardless of what you might believe and this knowing is knowledge. Just because you didn't experience it doesn't mean you are correct in any statements you make about Christianity. I know of no one who has the knowledge of God that has ever left Christianity. The Christians got their name early own from the secular world because of their deep devout following of Christ, ie. living in a relationship with Him.
 In your 5th sentence you are correct, there are many in the Christian church who do not know Christ and they are hell bound unless they change and accept Christ as their savior. In your 6th sentence you probably did say you knew God, but as it turns out you did not know Him or you would not have rejected Him because of somethings you thought were true. You never and I mean never were convinced you knew God as well as I claim and it's obvious because I will never reject Him. Living in a relationship of knowledge with Him is better than anything you can imagine. I will never deny Him for any reason, why because it's an impossible thing for me to do, I know He is real.
Your last sentence is nothing more than your lack of living for Christ in a relationship with Him, the knowledge you claim to have come by is your desire to break away from religion not a Godly relationship. 

GC

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Look, this whole argument is pointless since you can't provide any evidence that god exists. Once you have provided the evidence, then we can talk about whether you can be a Christian and not know him. But until you have shown he even exists to know, there is literally no point to this.

 Then we can dismiss the big bang because you have no evidence where the material came from to get thing started. Or are you going to rely on it was just there, surely not.

GC

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(July 16, 2017 at 3:17 pm)JackRussell Wrote: I believe GC is talking to himself. I admit I cannot prove that.

Then leave off the judgement of my mental state.

JR Wrote:GC is in touch with what he believes to be is the creator of the universe. That should be trivial to prove.

I do have access to the God of creation, the only true God. If it's trivial for me to prove the God of creation who purposely uses faith in His relationship with mankind then you should have no problem in explaining where the material for the big bang came from.

JR Wrote:All we get is A/S/K or that we are not sincere. So much for omnipotence.

You do neither so why do you believe God owes you an understanding, but you know He wants you to have an understanding. Why do you think the Christians are here, to take abuse from people like you, get real.

JR Wrote:GC is talking to himself until otherwise demonstrated.I think he is delusional, and I am happy if that makes him behave well. I don't need that to be a well behaved human, and I don't think he needs that either. Travel GC, see the good and bad all around the world, and tell me what actually causes harm.

You are the one calling me delusional, it's up to you to prove that positive statement. You bet I'm happy, if you knew what it was like to live in a relationship with the living God you would be happy or jealous depends on what you do with the knowledge.

JR Wrote:Education and the empowerment of women is demonstrably proven to increase wellbeing. Increased bible studies cause Ugandan anti-homo sexual laws and the spread of HIV because of the fear of protected sex.

Let's first get something straight, protestant Christians believe in protected sex and sex only within marriage. If all people lived by these two beliefs then HIV and other STDs would not exist and neither would the murder of countless babies. The protestant churches actually go into underdeveloped counties build schools and educate the children without the monetary support of the countries. We do not teach nor treat women as less than a man, there may be men in the church that do such things but it is not a teaching in the protestant church or at least any denominations I know of. The education and feeding of people in third world countries is of great importance to the church, we understand this will help them to manage their lives for their benefit and to the benefit of their neighbors.

JR Wrote:The god you talk to is your own brain. Please travel and talk to other theists and you might learn something.

 
  Christ actually lives in my heart and not the muscle, the heart represents the center of our being. I have traveled and seen many things, I'm news conscious and I can tell you that missionaries bring back the real stories of what's happening in the world we serve. Get over yourself and realize others know many things you do not.

GC

(July 15, 2017 at 7:01 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(July 15, 2017 at 6:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  I told you that I was not attacking you in any way and I'm sorry you took it that way, I never said I didn't believe what you said, I do. It's just that your view of what Christianity is about and what I know it to be because I'm deeply involved in it. Again I'm sorry for offending you it was never my intention. What was my intention to show you what I know as the truth of Christianity. I was and still am hoping you will answer my previous post to you.

Enjoy your weekend,

GC

I'm not offended by anything you said. I also never said that anything you did was an attack. I'm just disappointed that you've gone with your chosen route. You made assumptions about me that aren't actually true and then based your arguments around them. This is an example of a straw man argument, and I am not going to play that specific game with yet another theist here. I've done that far too many times here already. If you have some truth to show me, then do so. Just don't try to make some false example of me in the process. I've given you plenty of chances here, and I'm just exhausted by trying to keep my stances clear to you.

 In the post where I said you may be avoiding I also gave another reason yet you did not address that one and I'm not sure why. I told you they were what I thought might be true and they were not brought up to upset you. I'm not just another theist as you put it, I'm a Christian, a follower of Christ the living God. I'm here to witness to those who will listen to what I say and if my witness has to fall into a category that others dictate what kind of witness is that. It's one that makes the others comfortable, sorry but that's not me causing the discomfort that could very well be the Holy Spirit, it may be answered prayer but that will be for you to decide. I have to tell the truth as I understand God's word and this is what you wanted to hear if I'm not mistaken, though it seems I'm mistaken about nearly everything I thought you were looking for.

GC

(July 17, 2017 at 2:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 15, 2017 at 7:01 pm)Jesster Wrote: I'm not offended by anything you said. I also never said that anything you did was an attack. I'm just disappointed that you've gone with your chosen route. You made assumptions about me that aren't actually true and then based your arguments around them. This is an example of a straw man argument, and I am not going to play that specific game with yet another theist here. I've done that far too many times here already. If you have some truth to show me, then do so. Just don't try to make some false example of me in the process. I've given you plenty of chances here, and I'm just exhausted by trying to keep my stances clear to you.

 In the post where I said you may be avoiding I also gave another reason yet you did not address that one and I'm not sure why. I told you they were what I thought might be true and they were not brought up to upset you. I'm not just another theist as you put it, I'm a Christian, a follower of Christ the living God. I'm here to witness to those who will listen to what I say and if my witness has to fall into a category that others dictate what kind of witness is that. It's one that makes the others comfortable, sorry but that's not me causing the discomfort that could very well be the Holy Spirit, it may be answered prayer but that will be for you to decide. I have to tell the truth as I understand God's word and this is what you wanted to hear if I'm not mistaken, though it seems I'm mistaken about nearly everything I thought you were looking for.

GC

1. I'm still not avoiding anything.
2. I'm not upset. I'm disappointed. I've gone over this.
3. When I compared you to theists, I had Christians from this site specifically in mind.
4. Nothing here is causing me discomfort. I'm just not going to allow you to twist my words around to suit your comfort zone anymore.
5. I am always willing to hear truth. I'm just not going to talk with someone who isn't also willing to listen to me. You're talking at me, but not with me. If you want to witness anything to anyone, learn what communication is all about.

(July 17, 2017 at 1:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 15, 2017 at 8:32 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: Look, this whole argument is pointless since you can't provide any evidence that god exists. Once you have provided the evidence, then we can talk about whether you can be a Christian and not know him. But until you have shown he even exists to know, there is literally no point to this.

 Then we can dismiss the big bang because you have no evidence where the material came from to get thing started. Or are you going to rely on it was just there, surely not.

GC

We're not talking about the Big Bang here, we're talking about god. Provide evidence for his existence, and then we can argue about whether or not you can be a Christian and not know him.

(July 17, 2017 at 10:41 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 1:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Then we can dismiss the big bang because you have no evidence where the material came from to get thing started. Or are you going to rely on it was just there, surely not.

GC

We're not talking about the Big Bang here, we're talking about god. Provide evidence for his existence, and then we can argue about whether or not you can be a Christian and not know him.

Not going to challenge him with 'where did god come from'? Just for grins? You can't ask one and not the other, GC, that's a fallacy. That I have to point that out to you speaks volumes about your mental state. My current working theory is schizophrenia. Voices in your head that you're mistaking for a god? Textbook.

(July 17, 2017 at 10:36 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 10:41 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: We're not talking about the Big Bang here, we're talking about god. Provide evidence for his existence, and then we can argue about whether or not you can be a Christian and not know him.

Not going to challenge him with 'where did god come from'? Just for grins? You can't ask one and not the other, GC, that's a fallacy. That I have to point that out to you speaks volumes about your mental state. My current working theory is schizophrenia. Voices in your head that you're mistaking for a god? Textbook.

Yeah, I could have. But it's so obviously a red herring to avoid the real issue, and I'd rather not let him get away with that If he really wants to talk about the Big Bang too, he should probably do it with someone else because I have no knowledge on the subject.

(July 17, 2017 at 11:13 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 10:36 pm)Astonished Wrote: Not going to challenge him with 'where did god come from'? Just for grins? You can't ask one and not the other, GC, that's a fallacy. That I have to point that out to you speaks volumes about your mental state. My current working theory is schizophrenia. Voices in your head that you're mistaking for a god? Textbook.

Yeah, I could have. But it's so obviously a red herring to avoid the real issue, and I'd rather not let him get away with that If he really wants to talk about the Big Bang too, he should probably do it with someone else because I have no knowledge on the subject.

His interest in it is limited to asking a 'why' question, not a how. Too bad if asked the same 'why' question about god, it either can't be answered, or becomes circular.

(July 17, 2017 at 7:15 am)Jesster Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 2:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:

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 In the post where I said you may be avoiding I also gave another reason yet you did not address that one and I'm not sure why. I told you they were what I thought might be true and they were not brought up to upset you. I'm not just another theist as you put it, I'm a Christian, a follower of Christ the living God. I'm here to witness to those who will listen to what I say and if my witness has to fall into a category that others dictate what kind of witness is that. It's one that makes the others comfortable, sorry but that's not me causing the discomfort that could very well be the Holy Spirit, it may be answered prayer but that will be for you to decide. I have to tell the truth as I understand God's word and this is what you wanted to hear if I'm not mistaken, though it seems I'm mistaken about nearly everything I thought you were looking for.

GC

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1. I'm still not avoiding anything.
2. I'm not upset. I'm disappointed. I've gone over this.
3. When I compared you to theists, I had Christians from this site specifically in mind.
4. Nothing here is causing me discomfort. I'm just not going to allow you to twist my words around to suit your comfort zone anymore.
5. I am always willing to hear truth. I'm just not going to talk with someone who isn't also willing to listen to me. You're talking at me, but not with me. If you want to witness anything to anyone, learn what communication is all about.

 1. Okay
 2. Okay
 3. Then please say Christian a theist could believe in anything as a god, my belief is very specific.
 4a. Okay. 4b. I'm not trying to work in a comfort zone, as a matter of fact to do this here invites many uncomfortable post from others.
 5a. I know you've said this several times now. 5b. I've been listening to you, your trying to direct how I tell the things I believe. 5c. No, I'm speaking to you in an open and honest way and it seems you do not like what I have to say. I know how to communicate, but I can't let others dictate how I witness to them. That would be no different than me trying to tell a teacher how she/he could teach me.

I never said you were avoiding, it was a suggestion and once you said you were not I accepted what you said, you're extending an argument that I've accepted your answer to in the last post you made to me. If you think it's necessary to stop this conversation all you need to do is say so and I'll just keep praying.

GC

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(July 17, 2017 at 10:41 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 1:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Then we can dismiss the big bang because you have no evidence where the material came from to get thing started. Or are you going to rely on it was just there, surely not.

GC

We're not talking about the Big Bang here, we're talking about god. Provide evidence for his existence, and then we can argue about whether or not you can be a Christian and not know him.

 Dodging my question and trying to apply a double standard, I tried to get people to disprove God and that wasn't acceptable either, i'm not going argue by your one sided rules this is an open forum and you treat it that way when you reply to my post, changing rules to suit you and put me at a disadvantage ain't going to get it. I've always said that I can not prove God to an atheist's satisfaction and you can't disprove God to my satisfaction because I know God exist. You on the other hand do not know He doesn't exist.

GC

(July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 7:15 am)Jesster Wrote: 1. I'm still not avoiding anything.
2. I'm not upset. I'm disappointed. I've gone over this.
3. When I compared you to theists, I had Christians from this site specifically in mind.
4. Nothing here is causing me discomfort. I'm just not going to allow you to twist my words around to suit your comfort zone anymore.
5. I am always willing to hear truth. I'm just not going to talk with someone who isn't also willing to listen to me. You're talking at me, but not with me. If you want to witness anything to anyone, learn what communication is all about.

 1. Okay
 2. Okay
 3. Then please say Christian a theist could believe in anything as a god, my belief is very specific.
 4a. Okay. 4b. I'm not trying to work in a comfort zone, as a matter of fact to do this here invites many uncomfortable post from others.
 5a. I know you've said this several times now. 5b. I've been listening to you, your trying to direct how I tell the things I believe. 5c. No, I'm speaking to you in an open and honest way and it seems you do not like what I have to say. I know how to communicate, but I can't let others dictate how I witness to them. That would be no different than me trying to tell a teacher how she/he could teach me.

I never said you were avoiding, it was a suggestion and once you said you were not I accepted what you said, you're extending an argument that I've accepted your answer to in the last post you made to me. If you think it's necessary to stop this conversation all you need to do is say so and I'll just keep praying.

GC

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(July 17, 2017 at 10:41 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: We're not talking about the Big Bang here, we're talking about god. Provide evidence for his existence, and then we can argue about whether or not you can be a Christian and not know him.

 Dodging my question and trying to apply a double standard, I tried to get people to disprove God and that wasn't acceptable either, i'm not going argue by your one sided rules this is an open forum and you treat it that way when you reply to my post, changing rules to suit you and put me at a disadvantage ain't going to get it. I've always said that I can not prove God to an atheist's satisfaction and you can't disprove God to my satisfaction because I know God exist. You on the other hand do not know He doesn't exist.

GC

I'm not dodging any questions because you didn't ask a question in your post. You threw in a red herring to get us off track. If you know god exists, then you have evidence for that claim. So provide the evidence.