(July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: I've been listening to you, your trying to direct how I tell the things I believe. 5c. No, I'm speaking to you in an open and honest way and it seems you do not like what I have to say. I know how to communicate, but I can't let others dictate how I witness to them. That would be no different than me trying to tell a teacher how she/he could teach me.

All I'm trying to do is deflect incorrect assumptions about my position on anything. You can say what you want, but I can also put you on ignore if you're just going to tell my story for me.

(July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: If you think it's necessary to stop this conversation all you need to do is say so and I'll just keep praying.

I think that may be best at this point.

(July 18, 2017 at 1:49 am)Jesster Wrote:

(July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: I've been listening to you, your trying to direct how I tell the things I believe. 5c. No, I'm speaking to you in an open and honest way and it seems you do not like what I have to say. I know how to communicate, but I can't let others dictate how I witness to them. That would be no different than me trying to tell a teacher how she/he could teach me.

All I'm trying to do is deflect incorrect assumptions about my position on anything. You can say what you want, but I can also put you on ignore if you're just going to tell my story for me.

(July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: If you think it's necessary to stop this conversation all you need to do is say so and I'll just keep praying.

I think that may be best at this point.

 Putting me on ignore want keep God away and since you think it best for us to stop then that's okay with me.

GG

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(July 18, 2017 at 12:55 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

GC Wrote: 
Dodging my question and trying to apply a double standard, I tried to get people to disprove God and that wasn't acceptable either, i'm not going argue by your one sided rules this is an open forum and you treat it that way when you reply to my post, changing rules to suit you and put me at a disadvantage ain't going to get it. I've always said that I can not prove God to an atheist's satisfaction and you can't disprove God to my satisfaction because I know God exist. You on the other hand do not know He doesn't exist.

GC

I'm not dodging any questions because you didn't ask a question in your post. You threw in a red herring to get us off track. If you know god exists, then you have evidence for that claim. So provide the evidence.

 Okay consider it a question, where did the material come from? It was never meant to throw the conversation off track, it was intended to show you that certain secular claims are not provable yet widely accepted as fact.

GC

(July 18, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 18, 2017 at 1:49 am)Jesster Wrote: All I'm trying to do is deflect incorrect assumptions about my position on anything. You can say what you want, but I can also put you on ignore if you're just going to tell my story for me.


I think that may be best at this point.

 Putting me on ignore want keep God away and since you think it best for us to stop then that's okay with me.

GG

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(July 18, 2017 at 12:55 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I'm not dodging any questions because you didn't ask a question in your post. You threw in a red herring to get us off track. If you know god exists, then you have evidence for that claim. So provide the evidence.

 Okay consider it a question, where did the material come from? It was never meant to throw the conversation off track, it was intended to show you that certain secular claims are not provable yet widely accepted as fact.

GC

I don't know where it came from. That does not automatically mean it's a god that did it, much less your god. Show me the evidence that it was god who did it.

(July 18, 2017 at 2:05 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 18, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Okay consider it a question, where did the material come from? It was never meant to throw the conversation off track, it was intended to show you that certain secular claims are not provable yet widely accepted as fact.

GC

I don't know where it came from. That does not automatically mean it's a god that did it, much less your god. Show me the evidence that it was god who did it.

 Material can not self generate from nothing, so I see no other thing to believe other than an all powerful and omniscient God created. Outside of the scriptures and common sense I can't give another answer, I wasn't there but man would I have love to have been there.

GC

Something can't come from nothing, yet god came from nothing, Mhmmm.

(July 18, 2017 at 8:48 am)Lutrinae Wrote: Something can't come from nothing, yet god came from nothing, Mhmmm.

A bit of difference with God, He has always been, never created. Don't ask me how that is possible because I can only say I can't even imagine how that's possible, most likely not understandable by man anyway.

GC

(July 18, 2017 at 8:46 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 18, 2017 at 2:05 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I don't know where it came from. That does not automatically mean it's a god that did it, much less your god. Show me the evidence that it was god who did it.

 Material can not self generate from nothing, so I see no other thing to believe other than an all powerful and omniscient God created. Outside of the scriptures and common sense I can't give another answer, I wasn't there but man would I have love to have been there.

GC

I don't understand how god could just exist and never be created, since I can't understand this, I conclude that something created him. This is now evidence that their is a god superior to yours. See? This is still an argument from ignorance, you don't know therefore x. There are lots of other hypothesis other than the Big Bang to explain the universe. I'm not familiar with them as I only read about them once when I was bored in Astronomy 101. I remember one seemed to be a continuous cycle of expansion and collapse. This is not evidence for any god, it's not evidence that your god did it (as opposed to Odin, or Allah), and it certainly provides no evidence for any of this god's properties.

Godscreated Wrote:Putting me on ignore want keep God away and since you think it best for us to stop then that's okay with me.

GG

Someone putting you on ignore has nothing to do with keeping God away. God or no God, you're not him, not equivalent to him, and not his personal representative on earth. Passive aggressive much?

Godscreated Wrote:Okay consider it a question, where did the material come from? It was never meant to throw the conversation off track, it was intended to show you that certain secular claims are not provable yet widely accepted as fact.

GC

Any claim that doesn't have to do with theology is by default a secular claim. That doesn't mean it's our claim.

Here's something provable: if we haven't the slightest notion of where the material came for, it doesn't make you explanation a single atom's worth of additional weight. It's an argument from ignorance, like saying that if we don't know what happens to all the people who disappear every year, we have to take the theory that they're being abducted by aliens more seriously. We don't. If it's not known, it's not known, full stop. Any hypothesis for an explanation will have to overcome the null hypothesis of 'no, that isn't it'.

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Godscreated Wrote:

Lutrinae Wrote:Something can't come from nothing, yet god came from nothing, Mhmmm.

A bit of difference with God, He has always been, never created. Don't ask me how that is possible because I can only say I can't even imagine how that's possible, most likely not understandable by man anyway.

GC

And you know that's true because God told you.

'When you believe in things you don't understand,
Then you suffer,
Superstition ain't the way.

(July 18, 2017 at 8:46 am)Godscreated Wrote: Material can not self generate from nothing

That looks like a positive declaration. You know this precisely how? (Note, that I'm using "know" in the sense that epistemologists use it, not your equivocating bullshit sense).

(July 18, 2017 at 10:53 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 18, 2017 at 8:46 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Material can not self generate from nothing, so I see no other thing to believe other than an all powerful and omniscient God created. Outside of the scriptures and common sense I can't give another answer, I wasn't there but man would I have love to have been there.

GC

I don't understand how god could just exist and never be created, since I can't understand this, I conclude that something created him. This is now evidence that their is a god superior to yours. See? This is still an argument from ignorance, you don't know therefore x. There are lots of other hypothesis other than the Big Bang to explain the universe. I'm not familiar with them as I only read about them once when I was bored in Astronomy 101. I remember one seemed to be a continuous cycle of expansion and collapse. This is not evidence for any god, it's not evidence that your god did it (as opposed to Odin, or Allah), and it certainly provides no evidence for any of this god's properties.

 We know that materials can not self generate from nothing, so you see I started with accepted evidence and went from there. Your example went from "don't understand to never to can't understand" and then a conclusion. There are other ideas but they are not generally promoted by science, and none of them have any reasoning as to where the original materials came from. You don't accept it but at least I have an explanation.

GC