(July 26, 2017 at 2:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yea well ratio wise, black and brown people get pulled over at a far higher rate and it is not because they are committing a higher ratio of crime per capita. They are not.

The data says they are. Let's look at murders as an example.

According to the FBI's UCR there were 15,326 know murderers in 2015. 30.2% of them were white, 31.2% of them were of unknown race, and 36.7% of them were black. The rest were other. Since blacks only make up about 12.2% of the population then two out of three of those murderers the FBI thinks were black people had to be committed by someone of another race in order for your claim to be true. While I have very little overall confidence in our legal system I highly doubt that in two out of every three cases where a black person is convicted of murder in America the real killer was actually some other race.

Having said that now let's look at victims of murder. Once again according to the FBI's UCR 52.3% of the murder victims in 2015 were black. Since it is pretty commonly accepted that most crime is intraracial no matter what race your talking about it is pretty safe to assume that most of those black murder victims were killed by other black people. The numbers I've seen for black intraracial crime are something north of 90%. 90% of 52.3% is 47.7%. That tells me that the number of known black murders in 2015 was low by about a third. That number should be at least 47.7% without even taking any black on any other race murders into account. If that 's true then in 2015 blacks committed murder at a per capita rate of at least 4 times more than the per capita rate for whites.

Now before you start screaming that I'm a racist because you read some piece of shit opinion piece in HuffPo that proclaimed that since blacks are pulled over at higher rates, arrested at higher rates and convicted at higher rates than white people are any claim that black people commit crimes at a higher rate than white people is racist. Because the numbers just don't back that shit up.

(July 26, 2017 at 5:18 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yea well ratio wise, black and brown people get pulled over at a far higher rate and it is not because they are committing a higher ratio of crime per capita. They are not.

The data says they are. Let's look at murders as an example.

According to the FBI's UCR there were 15,326 know murderers in 2015. 30.2% of them were white, 31.2% of them were of unknown race, and 36.7% of them were black. The rest were other. Since blacks only make up about 12.2% of the population then two out of three of those murderers the FBI thinks were black people had to be committed by someone of another race in order for your claim to be true. While I have very little overall confidence in our legal system I highly doubt that in two out of every three cases where a black person is convicted of murder in America the real killer was actually some other race.

Having said that now let's look at victims of murder. Once again according to the FBI's UCR 52.3% of the murder victims in 2015 were black. Since it is pretty commonly accepted that most crime is intraracial no matter what race your talking about it is pretty safe to assume that most of those black murder victims were killed by other black people. The numbers I've seen for black intraracial crime are something north of 90%. 90% of 52.3% is 47.7%. That tells me that the number of known black murders in 2015 was low by about a third. That number should be at least 47.7% without even taking any black on any other race murders into account. If that 's true then in 2015 blacks committed murder at a per capita rate of at least 4 times more than the per capita rate for whites.

Now before you start screaming that I'm a racist because you read some piece of shit opinion piece in HuffPo that proclaimed that since blacks are pulled over at higher rates, arrested at higher rates and convicted at higher rates than white people are any claim that black people commit crimes at a higher rate than white people is racist. Because the numbers just don't back that shit up.

No that is the arrest/conviction rate, it does not take into account the averages between whites and minorities who are let go or get a lesser punishment. 

Of course minorities get arrested more because they are targeted more. That still does not mean they commit more crimes.

(July 26, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 5:18 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: The data says they are. Let's look at murders as an example.

According to the FBI's UCR there were 15,326 know murderers in 2015. 30.2% of them were white, 31.2% of them were of unknown race, and 36.7% of them were black. The rest were other. Since blacks only make up about 12.2% of the population then two out of three of those murderers the FBI thinks were black people had to be committed by someone of another race in order for your claim to be true. While I have very little overall confidence in our legal system I highly doubt that in two out of every three cases where a black person is convicted of murder in America the real killer was actually some other race.

Having said that now let's look at victims of murder. Once again according to the FBI's UCR 52.3% of the murder victims in 2015 were black. Since it is pretty commonly accepted that most crime is intraracial no matter what race your talking about it is pretty safe to assume that most of those black murder victims were killed by other black people. The numbers I've seen for black intraracial crime are something north of 90%. 90% of 52.3% is 47.7%. That tells me that the number of known black murders in 2015 was low by about a third. That number should be at least 47.7% without even taking any black on any other race murders into account. If that 's true then in 2015 blacks committed murder at a per capita rate of at least 4 times more than the per capita rate for whites.

Now before you start screaming that I'm a racist because you read some piece of shit opinion piece in HuffPo that proclaimed that since blacks are pulled over at higher rates, arrested at higher rates and convicted at higher rates than white people are any claim that black people commit crimes at a higher rate than white people is racist. Because the numbers just don't back that shit up.

No that is the arrest/conviction rate, it does not take into account the averages between whites and minorities who are let go or get a lesser punishment. 

Of course minorities get arrested more because they are targeted more. That still does not mean they commit more crimes.

Great. Just read past everything I just said, and insist you are right even though the actual evidence says you are wrong. Yes, blacks are stopped more often, arrested more often, convicted more often and receive more severe sentences when convicted than whites. That is racist, and it is a symptom of the long term systemic bias in the system against them. None of that means they don't commit crimes at a higher rate than white people.

I don't for a minute believe blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites due to some inherent genetic condition. I believe it is mostly due to socioeconomic conditions. High rates of poverty, unemployment, poor education and health care, and being packed into slums. All this is compounded by the bias in the system along with plenty of outright racism makes it extremely difficult to escape those conditions is the reason. Simply ignoring the fact that they do doesn't help.

(July 26, 2017 at 5:45 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: [edit]

The BP acted like dicks by initially refusing to allow her son to use the bathroom. He's a god dammed child and wasn't committing a crime. They finally let the child go to the bathroom, but it didn't come without being assholes about it.

Who thru the first asshole (protest [if your believe that] stone? Thanks Mom!

(July 26, 2017 at 3:13 pm)Gearbreak Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:56 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Let's not forget that nearly all of these checkpoints are on our southern border.  I suppose illegal Canadians are OK?  I wonder why that might be.

Canadians aren't fleeing Canada? Probably a small amount but not in the same amounts as Mexico. Very few people want to flee Canada since it's a decent country to live in.

You are clearly not familiar with the number of Canadians who overstay their visas. Pro-tip:. It's a bunch.

(July 26, 2017 at 6:24 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 5:45 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: [edit]

The BP acted like dicks by initially refusing to allow her son to use the bathroom. He's a god dammed child and wasn't committing a crime. They finally let the child go to the bathroom, but it didn't come without being assholes about it.

Who thru the first asshole (protest [if your believe that] stone? Thanks Mom!

The officers who pulled someone over without probable cause, of course.