Might sound preachy but there is still alot of confusion between simple salvation and the rewards know God can yield.

Going to heaven/getting to decide who gets to go is not on us, the church we go to, the things we do nor the religious title we may give ourselves. It's all about what Christ decides. We are given a life (y) the time from life to life varies (x) we are also in the life given varied exposure to God (z) then we are all given gifts, and how we use those gifts all are considered by Christ.. That is how Christ determines who is and who is not worthy of Heaven. Meaning who is and is not Christian. No one can be born a christian, like no one is born 'saved.' Christ decides based on who you are the time you had and what you did when you were here. Yes church is the easiest way to be judged a Christian, but not the only way. one of my last threads here explain how there are going to be alot of 'non-Christians' rolling round Heaven.. at least by 'church standards.'

So again salvation is free and just needs the tinniest bit of faith if that to work if you are genuine.

That said once you get to heaven, we do not all arrive on equal footing. Some enter as kings destined to sit in honor and power next to Christ while others enter as if they were escaping a great fire with their cloths and hair singed by the fire.. Meaning heaven's homeless. That is what knowing who God is about. That is why we must A/S/K that is why we seek out and serve God. Not only for the reward in Heaven but to get to know and experience God in this life. If you want proof of God what better way to 'proove' God then to have Him Show up in your life in some meaningful way...

But what if your way your religious ideas are corrupt? Your religious idealism maybe enough to find you the grace to enter heaven's getto but it isn't enough for God to show up in the way of the Holy Spirit and directly connect with you. why? because God is not who you think He is. God is not looking for a son. God is looking for a servant First. Someone who will seek and do things His way at first. No different than getting a job. the better you are at it the greater the reward until God makes you apart of the family.

So remember no one is born a christian. no one can truly claim to be christian. That is a matter Christ will decide at some point. At best we can call our selves deciples of Christ or followers of Christ, as of yet none of us has been saved. The bible keeps pointing forward to that moment. It is not something that happened but will happen when we are all judged. Also know salvation at a poverty level is free to everyone. It is when you want to deal with God directly that God demands you come to Him a certain way.

(July 26, 2017 at 1:45 pm)Drich Wrote: Might sound preachy but there is still alot of confusion between simple salvation and the rewards know God can yield.

Going to heaven/getting to decide who gets to go is not on us, the church we go to, the things we do nor the religious title we may give ourselves. It's all about what Christ decides. We are given a life (y) the time from life to life varies (x) we are also in the life given varied exposure to God (z) then we are all given gifts, and how we use those gifts all are considered by Christ.. That is how Christ determines who is and who is not worthy of Heaven. Meaning who is and is not Christian. No one can be born a christian, like no one is born 'saved.' Christ decides based on who you are the time you had and what you did when you were here. Yes church is the easiest way to be judged a Christian, but not the only way. one of my last threads here explain how there are going to be alot of 'non-Christians' rolling round Heaven.. at least by 'church standards.'

So again salvation is free and just needs the tinniest bit of faith if that to work if you are genuine.

That said once you get to heaven, we do not all arrive on equal footing. Some enter as kings destined to sit in honor and power next to Christ while others enter as if they were escaping a great fire with their cloths and hair singed by the fire.. Meaning heaven's homeless. That is what knowing who God is about. That is why we must A/S/K that is why we seek out and serve God. Not only for the reward in Heaven but to get to know and experience God in this life. If you want proof of God what better way to 'proove' God then to have Him Show up in your life in some meaningful way...

But what if your way your religious ideas are corrupt? Your religious idealism maybe enough to find you the grace to enter heaven's getto but it isn't enough for God to show up in the way of the Holy Spirit and directly connect with you. why? because God is not who you think He is. God is not looking for a son. God is looking for a servant First. Someone who will seek and do things His way at first. No different than getting a job. the better you are at it the greater the reward until God makes you apart of the family.

So remember no one is born a christian. no one can truly claim to be christian. That is a matter Christ will decide at some point. At best we can call our selves deciples of Christ or followers of Christ, as of yet none of us has been saved. The bible keeps pointing forward to that moment. It is not something that happened but will happen when we are all judged. Also know salvation at a poverty level is free to everyone. It is when you want to deal with God directly that God demands you come to Him a certain way.

Babble babble.  Do you think we care?

You clearly still don't realise quite how vacuous all this stuff appears to sane people?

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(July 26, 2017 at 1:52 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 1:45 pm)Drich Wrote: Might sound preachy but there is still alot of confusion between simple salvation and the rewards know God can yield.

Going to heaven/getting to decide who gets to go is not on us, the church we go to, the things we do nor the religious title we may give ourselves. It's all about what Christ decides. We are given a life (y) the time from life to life varies (x) we are also in the life given varied exposure to God (z) then we are all given gifts, and how we use those gifts all are considered by Christ.. That is how Christ determines who is and who is not worthy of Heaven. Meaning who is and is not Christian. No one can be born a christian, like no one is born 'saved.' Christ decides based on who you are the time you had and what you did when you were here. Yes church is the easiest way to be judged a Christian, but not the only way. one of my last threads here explain how there are going to be alot of 'non-Christians' rolling round Heaven.. at least by 'church standards.'

So again salvation is free and just needs the tinniest bit of faith if that to work if you are genuine.

That said once you get to heaven, we do not all arrive on equal footing. Some enter as kings destined to sit in honor and power next to Christ while others enter as if they were escaping a great fire with their cloths and hair singed by the fire.. Meaning heaven's homeless. That is what knowing who God is about. That is why we must A/S/K that is why we seek out and serve God. Not only for the reward in Heaven but to get to know and experience God in this life. If you want proof of God what better way to 'proove' God then to have Him Show up in your life in some meaningful way...

But what if your way your religious ideas are corrupt? Your religious idealism maybe enough to find you the grace to enter heaven's getto but it isn't enough for God to show up in the way of the Holy Spirit and directly connect with you. why? because God is not who you think He is. God is not looking for a son. God is looking for a servant First. Someone who will seek and do things His way at first. No different than getting a job. the better you are at it the greater the reward until God makes you apart of the family.

So remember no one is born a christian. no one can truly claim to be christian. That is a matter Christ will decide at some point. At best we can call our selves deciples of Christ or followers of Christ, as of yet none of us has been saved. The bible keeps pointing forward to that moment. It is not something that happened but will happen when we are all judged. Also know salvation at a poverty level is free to everyone. It is when you want to deal with God directly that God demands you come to Him a certain way.

Babble babble.  Do you think we care?

babble babbler, to those who keep making the same theological argument over and over about being born a christian is the only way to be saved... They might want to consider how foolish they sound. To those who think that their Christianity saves them... they too might want to consider how foolish they sound. To everyone else there should be some comfort to know that their will be a just judgement, not a judgement based on worse like, Muslim homosexual suicide, sinner excommunicated...

That the works you all keep pointing at are meaningless unless the first matter has been considered.

Just so you all stop sounding like a bunch of sundae schoolers (yes I know which Sunday and how to spell it)

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(July 26, 2017 at 1:52 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: You clearly still don't realise quite how vacuous all this stuff appears to sane people?

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Then why do you and your 'brethren' constantly argue these points? when I wrot e this I just came from a thread that one of you left a list maybe it was stimbo:

But only if they were muslim..
But only if they were Jews.. but only if they were ...it was like every religion and the said they still did it wrong... meaning they burn in hell because they are of the wrong birth right.

What looks insane is to see someone like you and then see you all argue these made up points that are not consistant with the religion you are trying to apply it to.

WTF is up with that?

if you don't believe then why argue? if you argue then why insist on arguing the strawman in the room? why not address actual biblical points? or is that all you have left? argue the strawman so you can win???

(July 26, 2017 at 2:49 pm)Drich Wrote: if you don't believe then why argue?

Cos some folks insist on repeatedly throwing ancient scripture and other such preachy bollocks into an atheist forum.

It's why we are here numbnuts and you know that. We are your demons.

(July 26, 2017 at 2:49 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 1:52 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: Babble babble.  Do you think we care?

babble babbler, to those who keep making the same theological argument over and over about being born a christian is the only way to be saved... They might want to consider how foolish they sound. To those who think that their Christianity saves them... they too might want to consider how foolish they sound. To everyone else there should be some comfort to know that their will be a just judgement, not a judgement based on worse like, Muslim homosexual suicide, sinner excommunicated...

That the works you all keep pointing at are meaningless unless the first matter has been considered.

Just so you all stop sounding like a bunch of sundae schoolers (yes I know which Sunday and how to spell it)

Why doesn't God keep his promises then?

Why is his book full of things that we know are not true?

Why does he approve of things we no longer consider moral?

Why does he only reveal himself to some but not others?

Why doesn't he make it simple for us all to know he exists, even if we then chose to reject him?

Why does he reveal himself in ancient languages that are subject to interpretation and change?

Why is a Damascus road revelation good enough for Saul/Paul but not the rest of us?

Why does God's morality change?

Why has he been reduced into an increasing god of the gaps by further scientific enquiry?

Why do his followers still do immoral things?

Why is he silent despite requests?

Why does he require worship and enjoy the master/slave relationship?

How do you know he is moral if you unable to be certain of your own moral compass?

Why would we believe things that science has shown to be wrong?

How do you know you are not talking to yourself or an immoral being?

How is vicarious redemption fair?

Why can't you meet your burden of proof, a perfect being should easily do that?

Why do humans of other religions not counter the idea that this is all human made and how could you show the difference?

How come your religion is not unified if the truth is so self evident?

How come personal revelations vary between dominations, and why should anybody think they are relevant?

Why should the popularity of an idea contribute to its veracity?

Why should vague prophecy be compelling, other cultures have them by the bucketloads too?

Why are miracles growing less impressive by the decade as science explains more and liars and the confused are exposed?

How does a scapegoat make morality justified?

How could science explore the supernatural, and how does that counter any modern theory?

The list goes on and on and I could add more.

Atheism is the idea that Theism hasn't achieved its burden of proof.

I want to know how theism can meet that, and it never has.....

Cue oft rebutted nonsense once more,

I want the clincher; again, I will be told I don't ask in the right way or with the right 'spirit'

Colour me unsurprised.

Dripshit, from you "good morning" sounds preachy but that is because we have all seen your same silly act over the years.

Your beliefs are merely the brain farts of a deranged mind.

The Bible plainly says that no one goes to heaven. So since it's part of the fairy tale it must be true.

Salvation is merely the cure religion sells you to rid you of the fairy tale sin religion also sold you.

Buying into religion leaves you intellectually broke.

The only fuck-face on here I have on my ignore list, wow, congrats, Drips, I haven't even bothered doing that to Gullible Cretin or Rikkle Shit.

But exactly what part of any of that (which I only saw because someone quoted you) is meant to make any of what you're selling sound in any way appealing, or make your gods sound in any way not like the worst characters ever conceived of?