(August 7, 2017 at 9:29 am)Dropship Wrote:

(August 1, 2017 at 12:20 pm)CeruleanNight Wrote: Believing in Deities is a Form of Psychosis

If the idea of an invisible deity doesn't appeal to you, the trick is to focus on the flesh-and-blood Jesus  instead..-
"Let us fix our eyes on Jesus.." (Hebrews 12:2)
For example at one point doubting Thomas thought Jesus was a ghost, so Jesus said-
"You numbnuts, I'm as solid as you! Here, feel where them Romans stuck a spear into me"

Silly religious art memes don't prove anything.  If Issa/Iesou/Yeshua/Cheezus existed, he was flesh and blood over 2000 years ago.  He died.  
Now, if you can actually bring the flesh and blood dude around and prove to the world's satisfaction that it's actually the guy described in the gospels, that would be worth notice.
But at the moment, he is not "flesh and blood".  He is your own personal imaginary friend and nothing more.  I pity you, wasting your life posting pictures and lies.

Interestingly when he came out of the tomb, Mary wanted to give him a big hug but he said "Don't touch me, because I've not yet ascended to the Father".
One interpretation of that is that he was a ghost and she'd have been freaked when her arms went through him.
Later of course, he beamed back down to earth in a brandnew fleshy body, that's when he said to Thomas "See, I'm as solid as you".
We can therefore speculate that our bodies are "spacesuits" that our souls are in, to enable us to get around on this planet.
Oops sorry was I rambling?..

(August 6, 2017 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(August 6, 2017 at 9:33 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I'll probably regret this but could you give us your dissertation on the "I"?

It is pretty obvious that atheists find very very hard to understand something so simple.
Most atheists believe that we are here in this world with our knowledge and consciousness thanks to previous generations or better say thanks to the evolution of the species.
That is garbage that unfortunately grip the mind of most atheists.
Life teach us that that is not possible.
Nobody give you something for free.
Even a pedo that give lollies to a kid does that for a reason.
If we got something it is obvious that we earn it in this or in previous lives and everything that we have to endure is a consequence or result of previous actions in this or in previous lives.
This is not only karma but also science.
Doesn't science teach that every action has an equal and opposite reaction?
So who is responsible for the actions other than us.
Us is the I.
The I is our consciousness.
An earthquake or any other calamity is not our own creation.
We are not responsible for it.
If we die because of it our karma does not alter, activated and produce any further bad reaction.
Bad reactions are only due to our previous actions so if we die under the rubble of an earthquake it is because of our previous bad actions.

Wow, that was full of scientiness.  I do find simple things hard to understand, you being one of them.

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(August 7, 2017 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(August 6, 2017 at 12:39 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: That's some mighty fine word salad woo. No wonder we have issues not understanding, most people would, atheist or not.

I understood one sentence: "Doesn't science teach that every action has an equal and opposite reaction?" The rest, I can pull the words out and understand them individually but the way you mash them up together, well, it's dribble. 

Sounds to me like you have the mind of a child.

I am sure a child would understand what I said.

And guess why?
Because the mind of a child is free from dogmas unlike an atheist which mind is saturated with countless dogmas.  
As simple as that.  

If you can't count them, how do you know?

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(August 7, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Dropship Wrote: Interestingly when he came out of the tomb, Mary wanted to give him a big hug but he said "Don't touch me, because I've not yet ascended to the Father".
One interpretation of that is that he was a ghost and she'd have been freaked when her arms went through him.
Later of course, he beamed back down to earth in a brandnew fleshy body, that's when he said to Thomas "See, I'm as solid as you".
We can therefore speculate that our bodies are "spacesuits" that our souls are in, to enable us to get around on this planet.
Oops sorry was I rambling?..

Maybe YOU can speculate that, but it's insulting to expect others to do so.

And, yes, you always are.

(August 7, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

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(August 7, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Dropship Wrote: Interestingly when he came out of the tomb, Mary wanted to give him a big hug but he said "Don't touch me, because I've not yet ascended to the Father".
One interpretation of that is that he was a ghost and she'd have been freaked when her arms went through him.
Later of course, he beamed back down to earth in a brandnew fleshy body, that's when he said to Thomas "See, I'm as solid as you".
We can therefore speculate that our bodies are "spacesuits" that our souls are in, to enable us to get around on this planet.
Oops sorry was I rambling?..

Maybe YOU can speculate that, but it's insulting to expect others to do so.
And, yes, you always are.

But muchacho, it's FUN to speculate and toss exciting new ideas around..
Remember, God introduced new DNA into the human race to boost our intellect-
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4)



So let's stand like those giants of old above the masses..

(August 7, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Dropship Wrote: Interestingly when he came out of the tomb, Mary wanted to give him a big hug but he said "Don't touch me, because I've not yet ascended to the Father".
One interpretation of that is that he was a ghost and she'd have been freaked when her arms went through him.
Later of course, he beamed back down to earth in a brandnew fleshy body, that's when he said to Thomas "See, I'm as solid as you".
We can therefore speculate that our bodies are "spacesuits" that our souls are in, to enable us to get around on this planet.
Oops sorry was I rambling?..

He didn't come out of the tomb.  Never happened. The bible is a book of fairy tales.  Alice drinking potions to make her shrink or grow is more believable.

(August 7, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Dropship Wrote:

(August 7, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

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Maybe YOU can speculate that, but it's insulting to expect others to do so.
And, yes, you always are.

But muchacho, it's FUN to speculate and toss exciting new ideas around..
Remember, God introduced new DNA into the human race to boost our intellect-

How can I remember what never happened?

(August 7, 2017 at 3:01 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: He didn't come out of the tomb...

Is he still in there then?..

(August 7, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Dropship Wrote:

(August 7, 2017 at 3:01 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: He didn't come out of the tomb...

Is he still in there then?..

Now you are just being absurd.  If he existed at all, he's wherever they buried him.  IF they got to bury him.  If he actually was crucified, Roman history and practice was to never let the body be taken down.  A large part of the "message" of crucifixion was to make the public walk past the rotting corpses of those who defied Roman rule.  So IF a Galilean preacher was crucified, he was almost certainly never buried.  A lot of people say that Joseph of Arimathea had enough clout to get him down . . . but he would only have had clout with the Sanhedrin. People are desperate to come up with a way that the "empty tomb" story might have been one of the rare exceptions, but - - it's just more apologetics.  Pilate supposedly gave the order, and an idiot rabble-rouser who caused unrest was deemed a threat to Roman rule -- he would certainly have been left up there to be crow food.

(August 7, 2017 at 4:16 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(August 7, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Dropship Wrote: Is he still in there then?..

Now you are just being absurd.  If he existed at all, he's wherever they buried him.  IF they got to bury him.  If he actually was crucified, Roman history and practice was to never let the body be taken down.  A large part of the "message" of crucifixion was to make the public walk past the rotting corpses of those who defied Roman rule.  So IF a Galilean preacher was crucified, he was almost certainly never buried.  A lot of people say that Joseph of Arimathea had enough clout to get him down . . . but he would only have had clout with the Sanhedrin. People are desperate to come up with a way that the "empty tomb" story might have been one of the rare exceptions, but - - it's just more apologetics.  Pilate supposedly gave the order, and an idiot rabble-rouser who caused unrest was deemed a threat to Roman rule -- he would certainly have been left up there to be crow food.

1) It seems that Jesus was not let to rot in the cross for a reason although this may be a speculation.
While the other two men that were on the cross like Jesus were not killed by a Roman spear Jesus was
so there was no reason for Jesus to be on the cross anymore once he was dead.

2) Jesus was not a problem for the Romans.
He was a big big problem for the corrupted priests which convinced the Romans that he was a threat for them.
Pilate didn't really believe that but in order to keep peace with the priests and the elite in power agree to put him on the cross.

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(August 7, 2017 at 3:01 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(August 7, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Dropship Wrote: Interestingly when he came out of the tomb, Mary wanted to give him a big hug but he said "Don't touch me, because I've not yet ascended to the Father".
One interpretation of that is that he was a ghost and she'd have been freaked when her arms went through him.
Later of course, he beamed back down to earth in a brandnew fleshy body, that's when he said to Thomas "See, I'm as solid as you".
We can therefore speculate that our bodies are "spacesuits" that our souls are in, to enable us to get around on this planet.
Oops sorry was I rambling?..

He didn't come out of the tomb.  Never happened. The bible is a book of fairy tales.  Alice drinking potions to make her shrink or grow is more believable.

Gee, finally I found someone who got the solid evidence that Jesus was never resurrected.

Very interesting.
Well, let us see this evidence fuz.  

(August 7, 2017 at 4:16 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: ..If he actually was crucified, Roman history and practice was to never let the body be taken down..

John 19:31 tells why the body of JC and the other two victims were taken down-
"Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down"

PS- ijust to digress, if Jehovah's Witnesses ever try to tell you that Jesus was crucified on a stake (as they wrongly believe), slap them in the face with that verse. The breaking of crucified victims legs was so that the legs could no longer support the weight of the body, and the body would sag under gravity putting the full weight on the outstretched arms, making it impossible to breathe and bringing on a quicker death.