(August 16, 2017 at 11:54 am)Sterben Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:02 am)Brian37 Wrote: FUCK YOU.......

This is just pure ignorant nonsense. Do you think if there were still statues of Goebbles and Rommel and Hitler in today's Germany Jews would go, "Oh well, leave the statues up because it is part of German history". No? That is how blacks feel about statues of men who wanted to keep slavery.

No sorry if you know and accept slavery as being wrong, you do not get to equate those fighting bigotry as being the same as bigots.

The counter protesters were not bringing firearms to the rally, the Nazi supporters and KKK MEMBERS DID!

Your vile ignorance would be the same as saying, "Don't invade France because the Nazis have a story to tell too."

You are either on the right side of history or you are not. Pull you fucking head out of your ass.

         As soon as you bring a weapon to a rally your intentions are clear that all you want is war. If you don't have the courage to fight without one, your just as bad a Trump supporter. If you are to stupid to fight a social issue without a firearm, you need to stay home and let the adults in the room handle it. Armed conflict has always been last resort option, now if they do want to repair themselves and their group reputations(if your able to find any silver lining in supporting a racist movement) It would start with a public apologizes and some lines about condemning the actions that some of your groups undertook upon others who opposed them.

        It's called history for a reason, that it stays in the past and we learn from the mistakes that were committed. It should not be celebrated out of pride, it should be be removed from the public eye, and kept in the history books and museums. These symbols were not meant to be on display in front of government buildings.

       Let's put an end this fucking circus already and go back to hating each other for the right reasons. There is no need to kill each other for over issues that is pointless to carry on about. Wake the fuck up and stop feeding the media frenzy, if you are a person who believes what the neo-nazis or the KKK is offering, I don't feel sorry for you. I do have one thing to say, keep it to yourself and stop bothering others with it. You don't see rational minded people knocking on your door to bother you with pointless nonsense.

       If you think I'm attacking freedom of speech you would be wrong, I support freedom of speech without censorship to fullest extent. We can all coexist without the need for violence. All their doing is pushing a armed culture proxy war. If your that dedicated to a cause, invite the opposing side to a empty place and kill each other there. Bring all the trucks,cars  and weapons you like, Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it.

NO NO NO NO

Heather did not deserve to die because she didn't bring a weapon to counter protest, that is fucking absurd to even dare suggest such. Do not attempt to paint the two sides as equal. That is fucking nonsense. 

We are not at this point talking about protecting offensive speech. We are talking about a politician using vilification as a political tactic. Because of 5 years of that tactic we saw the results of that this weekend ending in the death of an innocent person. 

45 is responsible for this, those in the GOP who sat for 5 years and said nothing and used fake indignation, they helped him. 

You, "Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it"........ Nobody is talking about you the individual, but if you sit by while others who are part of the same party are involved in it, then you are complicit. Saying nothing is just as bad as doing it.

You have no right to get angry at those whom are angry at the right people, even if you are not doing it yourself.

This is the same bullshit we get from Muslims, "Most of us don't" and I agree, but it doesn't have to be all, but just enough.

So it is not my responsibility to coddle the insecurities of GOP politicians because they are afraid of losing votes. If you agree that bigotry is bad, don't bitch at me, you need to be demanding the GOP not coddle 45. And at this point he is far too damaged to remain in office.

We have seen political vilification in the head of a nation before. We have seen political scapegoating of multiple groups in a head of state before. Fortunately that asshole committed suicide in a bunker.

A pattern is developing.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/busted-v...ttesville/

Quote:BUSTED: Vermont white nationalist loses job at pizza chain after being spotted in Charlottesville

So one guy who worked at a Hot Dog restaurant got fired and another guy who flips pizzas gets fired.  Starting to look like these fuckers are Joe the Plumber types.  White guys with an exaggerated sense of self-worth who can't get more than dead end jobs and start looking for scapegoats.... just like Germany in 1930. 
Might be very entertaining to see a demographic study on the make up of the goose-stepping morons.

(August 16, 2017 at 11:54 am)Sterben Wrote:          As soon as you bring a weapon to a rally your intentions are clear that all you want is war. If you don't have the courage to fight without one, your just as bad a Trump supporter. If you are to stupid to fight a social issue without a firearm, you need to stay home and let the adults in the room handle it.

Are you under the impression that anyone other than the white supremecists came packing pistols and rifles......leftists...not exactly known for their love of guns..lol?  I'm personally surprised that no one was "accidentally" shot by a Not-a-Nazi™.  Nary a single gun "just went off".......that's got to be some kind of fluke?

Heres a fun question...what with there having been copious rightwing militia types around - heroes with guns...how the fuck did that car manage to run into those leftists? No one opened fire? No one even tried to save the day? Some shitty ass dodge made it past a bunch of americans with guns to plow into a gaggle of fellow americans? How does that happen? Do these guys need more range time..or..?

Nazis should be made of sterner stuff.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/im-terri...ttesville/

Quote:‘I’m terrified’: Neo-Nazi blubbers like a baby in video reporting he’s wanted for arrest in Charlottesville

At least Hitler had the decency to blow his brains out.  The rest of you fucks should follow his example!

(August 16, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A pattern is developing.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/busted-v...ttesville/

Quote:BUSTED: Vermont white nationalist loses job at pizza chain after being spotted in Charlottesville

So one guy who worked at a Hot Dog restaurant got fired and another guy who flips pizzas gets fired.  Starting to look like these fuckers are Joe the Plumber types.  White guys with an exaggerated sense of self-worth who can't get more than dead end jobs and start looking for scapegoats.... just like Germany in 1930. 
Might be very entertaining to see a demographic study on the make up of the goose-stepping morons.

Um can we leave class out of this? I have worked low wage jobs my entire life. I think you also need to take into account a very rich man, in the white house was peddling that fear and hate, so it is not impossible for rich people to be assholes too.

Min, you know I love your passion in fighting bigotry, but doing this you don't support my liberal friend who is a democrat who values LGBT rights and hates 45 as much as you do. John grew up with religious parents in rural Oklahoma, but he managed to ditch that and he grew up poor too. He even with a college degree, and I have one too, he works at Wall Mart. 

I did not end up using my degree, but even given that, I still would not trade it for the world to trade places with 45.

The economy has always been the issue, for both urban blacks and rural whites. We are not going expand our map by allowing 45 and the GOP to draw us into that trap.

EVEN Martin Luther King said many times "When we do well, everyone does well". 

I never want you to stop fighting bigotry, but lets point out the real enemy and not make needless enemies ourselves. John may have grown up in rural Oklahoma, and he may still work at Wall Mart, but I have known him for 16 years and you will never get me to equate the job he has or his geography as some sort of presumption of guilt. 

Class is not the issue, 45s peddling hate and fear is. Geography is not the issue, 45s peddling hate and fear is. The democratic party exists in all 50 states and I refuse to abandon our fellow liberals who exist in red states.

Good people exist in every state, not just blue states.

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If you want to condemn that individual I am with you, but his job is not why he is a dick.

Sadly, Brian, class is exactly the issue.  Or rather, self-identification with a group.  Yes, many people will examine their circumstances and decide what they have to do to change them if they want to change them.  Others look for scapegoats and remember that:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...education/

Quote:In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980.

It is not the fault of various minority groups that the hot dog cookers or pizza throwers did not go to college and acquire useful job skills.  But it is oh-so-much-easier to blame THE OTHER for their failings than to look in the mirror and call themselves a "schmuck."

Study up on the Brownshirts in Germany or the Camicie Nere in Italy.

(August 16, 2017 at 4:54 am)A Theist Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 1:43 am)Khemikal Wrote: The Trumpster decided to roll back his delayed restatement, because of course he did.  Now he;s making excuses for the nazis.....because of course he is.

Roll back or not, I believe Trump was right in calling out the alt left for their complicity in the Charotteville riots. They're no less violent than the white supremacists gangs that showed up to protest the removing of Confederate monuments, namely Lee's in this instance. The alt left has torched public and private property, police officers have been targeted and murdered, and a Republican congressman is still undergoing surgeries after being shot by an alt left wing nut. Antifa and other alt left rioters came into town looking for a fight. They were every bit as complicit in those riots.

That you believe in silly shit is hardly surprising.  No less violent?  So, how many people did leftists murder that day, again?  How many cops did they kill?  If leftists came looking for a fight, they should have brought an AT4 - would have handled that POS plastic beater in a jiffy.

"Back Blast Area All Clear, Hooooooooooah!"

(August 16, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A pattern is developing.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/busted-v...ttesville/

Quote:BUSTED: Vermont white nationalist loses job at pizza chain after being spotted in Charlottesville

So one guy who worked at a Hot Dog restaurant got fired and another guy who flips pizzas gets fired.  Starting to look like these fuckers are Joe the Plumber types.  White guys with an exaggerated sense of self-worth who can't get more than dead end jobs and start looking for scapegoats.... just like Germany in 1930. 
Might be very entertaining to see a demographic study on the make up of the goose-stepping morons.

what irony.. Trump said the same thing about the other side's trouble makers... seem the 'cause' is the cause of civial discord after all if anything you said is true. because what is good for the goose stepers is also good for the BLM-ers as well it seems. As both have an over inflated sense of self worth and both sides are in desperate need of a real job that makes real money.

Maybe trump is right in that getting jobs back will heal this country faster than any coddleing or blaming.

Hey, Adolf.  Looks like your trip to California is off.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/alt-righ...-liberals/

Quote:Alt-right cancels California book burning of ‘degenerate literature’ after organizer says he fears liberals

Quote:Juan Cadavid organized a book-burning event with Mountain Center, California resident Brian Enright of the Three Percenters to be held at Huntington State Beach. The event was dubbed “Burning Degeneracy – CA,” but they have recently decided to cancel the event out of fear.

According to The OC Weekly, the group advertised the Aug. 19 event telling people that it was time to “purge their homes, State, and country of degenerate literature.”

And I'll bet you had loaded up on lighters and gasoline!  BTW, how does a guy with the first name of "Juan" get into a neo-nazi group?  You guys better tighten up your membership rules.

(August 16, 2017 at 12:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:54 am)Sterben Wrote:          As soon as you bring a weapon to a rally your intentions are clear that all you want is war. If you don't have the courage to fight without one, your just as bad a Trump supporter. If you are to stupid to fight a social issue without a firearm, you need to stay home and let the adults in the room handle it.

Are you under the impression that anyone other than the white supremecists came packing pistols and rifles......leftists...not exactly known for their love of guns..lol?   I'm personally surprised that no one was "accidentally" shot by a Not-a-Nazi™.  Nary a single gun "just went off".......that's got to be some kind of fluke?

Heres a fun question...what with there having been copious rightwing militia types around - heroes with guns...how the fuck did that car manage to run into those leftists?  No one opened fire?  No one even tried to save the day?  Some shitty ass dodge made it past a bunch of americans with guns to plow into a gaggle of fellow americans?  How does that happen?  Do these guys need more range time..or..?

I wouldn't give the Snack Patriots too much credit. They also didn't use their weapons in Dallas when the cops were murdered. It is just as show to them. They even at that clusterfuck hate rally didn't use them because they didn't want cops shooting them. It had nothing at all to do with defending a statue and everything to do with narcissism and ego.

Same thing happened at the Oregon college with open carry and an X military guy, he had a firearm on him too, but didn't get involved because he didn't want the cops shooting him.

Those assholes really are not frightened of the left, they are frightened of being exposed for the asshole bigots they are.