What did he do with carrier?  The only thing he could take credit for is their planned outsourcing, -that's what carrier did, despite any stories the admin peddled.

(August 16, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:54 am)Sterben Wrote:          As soon as you bring a weapon to a rally your intentions are clear that all you want is war. If you don't have the courage to fight without one, your just as bad a Trump supporter. If you are to stupid to fight a social issue without a firearm, you need to stay home and let the adults in the room handle it. Armed conflict has always been last resort option, now if they do want to repair themselves and their group reputations(if your able to find any silver lining in supporting a racist movement) It would start with a public apologizes and some lines about condemning the actions that some of your groups undertook upon others who opposed them.

        It's called history for a reason, that it stays in the past and we learn from the mistakes that were committed. It should not be celebrated out of pride, it should be be removed from the public eye, and kept in the history books and museums. These symbols were not meant to be on display in front of government buildings.

       Let's put an end this fucking circus already and go back to hating each other for the right reasons. There is no need to kill each other for over issues that is pointless to carry on about. Wake the fuck up and stop feeding the media frenzy, if you are a person who believes what the neo-nazis or the KKK is offering, I don't feel sorry for you. I do have one thing to say, keep it to yourself and stop bothering others with it. You don't see rational minded people knocking on your door to bother you with pointless nonsense.

       If you think I'm attacking freedom of speech you would be wrong, I support freedom of speech without censorship to fullest extent. We can all coexist without the need for violence. All their doing is pushing a armed culture proxy war. If your that dedicated to a cause, invite the opposing side to a empty place and kill each other there. Bring all the trucks,cars  and weapons you like, Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it.

NO NO NO NO

Heather did not deserve to die because she didn't bring a weapon to counter protest, that is fucking absurd to even dare suggest such. Do not attempt to paint the two sides as equal. That is fucking nonsense. 

We are not at this point talking about protecting offensive speech. We are talking about a politician using vilification as a political tactic. Because of 5 years of that tactic we saw the results of that this weekend ending in the death of an innocent person. 

45 is responsible for this, those in the GOP who sat for 5 years and said nothing and used fake indignation, they helped him. 

You, "Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it"........ Nobody is talking about you the individual, but if you sit by while others who are part of the same party are involved in it, then you are complicit. Saying nothing is just as bad as doing it.

You have no right to get angry at those whom are angry at the right people, even if you are not doing it yourself.

This is the same bullshit we get from Muslims, "Most of us don't" and I agree, but it doesn't have to be all, but just enough.

So it is not my responsibility to coddle the insecurities of GOP politicians because they are afraid of losing votes. If you agree that bigotry is bad, don't bitch at me, you need to be demanding the GOP not coddle 45. And at this point he is far too damaged to remain in office.

We have seen political vilification in the head of a nation before. We have seen political scapegoating of multiple groups in a head of state before. Fortunately that asshole committed suicide in a bunker.

      Who said anything about Heather? If your questioning why I did not include the victim in my response. There was no point in doing so since it was an assumption of logic that people were hurt and or killed. She knew the risk of her actions even being there, yes it sad these animals would resort to such actions, but if you attend any type rally involving hate groups. You should know the risks with dealing with Neo_Nazis and members of the KKK. It's sparks like these will trigger a potentially armed conflict between groups. The best course of action to absolve yourself from any social responsibility is to see it for what it is.

     All they want is attention, their philosophy on how life should be has been under attack for quite sometime. But, something must be done though; if the full context of what they are saying is not given, of course their message will resonate among poor and or stupid people (primarily whites). As far as doing something about it, that would mean taking social responsibility. I personally do want to get involved in such a cluster fuck issue. If we're going to have freedom of speech, it takes a steady hand to safeguard and use it safely. The police and the FBI both failed to protect those twenty people from a mad man driving a vehicle driving into the counter protesters.

      You have those on the neutral side like me, then you have those who support Neo_Nazis and those who go against them. Whichever side you support, the more serious this gets, you will be dragged into it if you like it or not. When that day comes for me, I'm Anti-Nazi and KKK philosophy, if you have issue with me disagreeing with you. My final thought would be, let's not talk about this since I have no interest in what you have to offer.

Why would she assume that she would die, for attending a protest in the United States of America? Even when the nasties get rowdy..in america, we expect the law to step in and utterly shit on them. Cops aren't exactly shy. There was alread an armed conflict between groups. Not only were the neo-nazis armed...they weaponized a vehicle and plowed it into people.

In a less racist sympathizer version of america..there would be concurrent raids happening all across the country right now - with image after image of nazi pieces of shit in cuffs, faces in the dirt. This was not an isolated incident, or the sole example of extremist domestic terrorism.

The last time nazis got uppity we firebombed their cities in the dark of night and had their leader not ended up in a ditch, covered in gasoline, on fire, we'd have shot him in his grill. Apparently, since then, we;ve turned into a bunch of pussies who would rather blame the victims for their having been victimized than bitchsmack a fucking shitlord and anyone who so much as mouths a syllable in his defense.

/ sigh

(August 16, 2017 at 3:39 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Why would she assume that she would die, for attending a protest in the United States of America?  Even when the nasties get rowdy..in america, we expect the law to step in and utterly shit on them.  Cops aren't exactly shy.  There was alread an armed conflict between groups.  Not only were the neo-nazis armed...they weaponized a vehicle and plowed it into people.  

In a less racist sympathizer version of america..there would be concurrent raids happening all across the country right now - with image after image of nazi pieces of shit in cuffs, faces in the dirt.  This was not an isolated incident, or the sole example of extremist domestic terrorism.

The last time nazis got uppity we firebombed their cities in the dark of night and had their leader not ended up in a ditch, covered in gasoline, on fire, we'd have shot him in his grill.

     There will be a lot more of these, just wait till you hear reports of a Muslim or black person being hung from a tree live on facebook. You know it's coming, it's a just question of when.

I don't have to wait for the latter to be on facebook............and the former is only rare because muslims are hard to come by at 0-dark thirty in The Konfederate States.

(August 16, 2017 at 3:37 pm)Sterben Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote: NO NO NO NO

Heather did not deserve to die because she didn't bring a weapon to counter protest, that is fucking absurd to even dare suggest such. Do not attempt to paint the two sides as equal. That is fucking nonsense. 

We are not at this point talking about protecting offensive speech. We are talking about a politician using vilification as a political tactic. Because of 5 years of that tactic we saw the results of that this weekend ending in the death of an innocent person. 

45 is responsible for this, those in the GOP who sat for 5 years and said nothing and used fake indignation, they helped him. 

You, "Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it"........ Nobody is talking about you the individual, but if you sit by while others who are part of the same party are involved in it, then you are complicit. Saying nothing is just as bad as doing it.

You have no right to get angry at those whom are angry at the right people, even if you are not doing it yourself.

This is the same bullshit we get from Muslims, "Most of us don't" and I agree, but it doesn't have to be all, but just enough.

So it is not my responsibility to coddle the insecurities of GOP politicians because they are afraid of losing votes. If you agree that bigotry is bad, don't bitch at me, you need to be demanding the GOP not coddle 45. And at this point he is far too damaged to remain in office.

We have seen political vilification in the head of a nation before. We have seen political scapegoating of multiple groups in a head of state before. Fortunately that asshole committed suicide in a bunker.

      Who said anything about Heather? If your questioning why I did not include the victim in my response. There was no point in doing so since it was an assumption of logic that people were hurt and or killed. She knew the risk of her actions even being there, yes it sad these animals would resort to such actions, but if you attend any type rally involving hate groups. You should know the risks with dealing with Neo_Nazis and members of the KKK. It's sparks like these will trigger a potentially armed conflict between groups. The best course of action to absolve yourself from any social responsibility is to see it for what it is.

     All they want is attention, their philosophy on how life should be has been under attack for quite sometime. But, something must be done though; if the full context of what they are saying is not given, of course their message will resonate among poor and or stupid people (primarily whites). As far as doing something about it, that would mean taking social responsibility. I personally do want to get involved in such a cluster fuck issue. If we're going to have freedom of speech, it takes a steady hand to safeguard and use it safely. The police and the FBI both failed to protect those twenty people from a mad man driving a vehicle driving into the counter protesters.

      You have those on the neutral side like me, then you have those who support Neo_Nazis and those who go against them. Whichever side you support, the more serious this gets, you will be dragged into it if you like it or not. When that day comes for me, I'm Anti-Nazi and KKK philosophy, if you have issue with me disagreeing with you. My final thought would be, let's not talk about this since I have no interest in what you have to offer.

She knew the risks? No nobody deserves to die especially when unarmed not looking for an armed conflict.

This is as bad as when the Pope said, "If you pick on someone's mother you should expect to be punched." 

Risk is when things are equal, not when a mob bullies those who have no intent on violence. 

Again, when you look at the footage the vast majority of those with shields and armor and even firearms were the alt right. 

Now again, please do not accuse me of not wanting to protect even offensive speech. I know what I say here offends theists. But we are NOT talking about merely offending here. We are talking about one man who injected political vilification into politics. Jim Crow is what you get when politicians do that. McCarthism is what you get when politicians do that. WW2 Germany is what you get when politicians do that. 

45 wasn't simply offending, and it wasn't even his place to do that anyway. There are different roles for the private sector than there is for a politician in a high seat of power. No, 45 wasn't doing the mere typical mudslinging we know has existed forever. NO, he added vilification and demagoguery and scapegoating IN A SEAT OF POWER, and not just with one person, but with multiple groups. 45 is not politics as normal.

That's the New Normal, Brian.  It goes hand in hand with The New Cruelty.  May as well get used to it, you'll have to modify who you are and how you respond if you hope to have a snowballs chance in hell of opposing it.

(August 16, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That's the New Normal, Brian.  It goes hand in hand with The New Cruelty.  May as well get used to it, you'll have to modify who you are and how you respond if you hope to have a snowballs chance in hell of opposing it.

Hell no. It is frightening you would even consider anything 45 is doing now acceptable. 

Imagine if enough people when Hitler started making noise said, "NO AND FUCK YOU".

Again, don't pull this honey/fly argument with me. I will not apologize for being blunt with assholes. 

If politeness always worked 45 never would have been nominated. 

And you better fucking hope that 45s brand of politics never spreads because right now the GOP holds the power.

I didn't say it was acceptable, just that you should get used to it.  You don;t really think that, after having been successfully subjected to a Trump..that he'll be the last of his kind?  

You can't talk these idiots down or shame them into decency. You think that you're being severe, unapologetic...but they're laughing at you.

(August 16, 2017 at 2:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What did he do with carrier? 

He lied his fucking ass off.  And the morons who support him swallowed the whole wad.