(August 28, 2017 at 2:39 pm)Divinity Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 1:24 pm)FFaith Wrote: Fake news media helps someone? Good. Bin Laden did charity work. Guess he's a good guy then?

Oh look Mr. Edgey comparing the media to Bin Laden.  How does Trump's cock taste?  Is it true that it's cheeto flavored?

I did no such thing. The obvious point was that bad people sometimes do good things, and you would see that if you didn't just decide that you were going to dislike everything I write because you falsely assume that I like Trump. Brian put fake news in the thread title I'm guessing to show that these people in news are good moral people, or at least that this lady is. The video shows no such thing. The video proves nothing. That's why Bin Laden was brought up. Mainstream media, who helped bury the guy I liked, Bernie, have been owned by the MIC, CIA, and big business long before Trump was relevant in politics. They are there to push a narrative and they burried Bernie for a reason. They are there to push endless war and corrupt, corporate politicians. Of course they are right about Trump much of the time. Trump is a circus clown and is terrible for the US and the world, but that doesn't make the people who work in MSM good people. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

(August 28, 2017 at 3:08 pm)FFaith Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 2:39 pm)Divinity Wrote: Oh look Mr. Edgey comparing the media to Bin Laden.  How does Trump's cock taste?  Is it true that it's cheeto flavored?

I did no such thing. The obvious point was that bad people sometimes do good things, and you would see that if you didn't just decide that you were going to dislike everything I write because you falsely assume that I like Trump. Brian put fake news in the thread title I'm guessing to show that these people in news are good moral people, or at least that this lady is. The video shows no such thing. The video proves nothing. That's why Bin Laden was brought up. Mainstream media, who helped bury the guy I liked, Bernie, have been owned by the MIC, CIA, and big business long before Trump was relevant in politics. They are there to push a narrative and they burried Bernie for a reason. They are there to push endless war and corrupt, corporate politicians. Of course they are right about Trump much of the time. Trump is a circus clown and is terrible for the US and the world, but that doesn't make the people who work in MSM good people. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

 Yes I did put "fake News" in the title because 45 doesn't simply address one specific story or one reporter, he has taken a very dangerous political tactic in carpet bombing all media in general. It is dangerous for a politician, much less a head of state in the free west to do that. It is up to the private sector and media to criticize each other, having a politician vilify in a carpet bombing manor are what despots do.

A sane politician says, "This particular story is wrong and here is why."

45 vilifies media in general terms, just like Goebbles did for Hitler. 

Don't make this about the free press, this is about HIM and what he is doing that can undermine checks on power.

(August 28, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 3:08 pm)FFaith Wrote: I did no such thing. The obvious point was that bad people sometimes do good things, and you would see that if you didn't just decide that you were going to dislike everything I write because you falsely assume that I like Trump. Brian put fake news in the thread title I'm guessing to show that these people in news are good moral people, or at least that this lady is. The video shows no such thing. The video proves nothing. That's why Bin Laden was brought up. Mainstream media, who helped bury the guy I liked, Bernie, have been owned by the MIC, CIA, and big business long before Trump was relevant in politics. They are there to push a narrative and they burried Bernie for a reason. They are there to push endless war and corrupt, corporate politicians. Of course they are right about Trump much of the time. Trump is a circus clown and is terrible for the US and the world, but that doesn't make the people who work in MSM good people. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

 Yes I did put "fake News" in the title because 45 doesn't simply address one specific story or one reporter, he has taken a very dangerous political tactic in carpet bombing all media in general. It is dangerous for a politician, much less a head of state in the free west to do that. It is up to the private sector and media to criticize each other, having a politician vilify in a carpet bombing manor are what despots do.

A sane politician says, "This particular story is wrong and here is why."

45 vilifies media in general terms, just like Goebbles did for Hitler. 

Don't make this about the free press, this is about HIM and what he is doing that can undermine checks on power.

I certainly disagree with most of what Trump says and I won't defend him, and he certainly doesn't know how to act Presidential at all, but the MSM sure make it easy for him by putting out so much BS. Trump may very well end up being the worst US President in history, and the media has so much truth to use against him, but of course on top of that they feel the need to tell half truths or just outright make up things at times to try to make Trump look even worse, which in turn is ruining what little reputation they have left. There's no need to try to make Trump look even worse than he already is when he's already probably the biggest clown of a US President ever. MSM just can't help themselves though and put out story after story that end up getting shown to be false. I understand that someone needs to hold Trump in check. I want alternative media to be the ones to do it (yes, there is plenty of progressive alternative media), while MSM dies off, but I don't think the establishment is going to let that happen. I don't think it's a good idea to be propping up the establishment or the establishment media right now. The establishment are the ones to blame for giving you Trump. Trump was a response to the establishment. Propping up the establishment is only going to give you another Trump in the future. This is why we should be propping up progressive alternative/ independent media and progressives like Bernie Sanders. Don't make the same mistakes over again that gave you Trump.

(August 28, 2017 at 3:42 pm)FFaith Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Brian37 Wrote:  Yes I did put "fake News" in the title because 45 doesn't simply address one specific story or one reporter, he has taken a very dangerous political tactic in carpet bombing all media in general. It is dangerous for a politician, much less a head of state in the free west to do that. It is up to the private sector and media to criticize each other, having a politician vilify in a carpet bombing manor are what despots do.

A sane politician says, "This particular story is wrong and here is why."

45 vilifies media in general terms, just like Goebbles did for Hitler. 

Don't make this about the free press, this is about HIM and what he is doing that can undermine checks on power.

I certainly disagree with most of what Trump says and I won't defend him, and he certainly doesn't know how to act Presidential at all, but the MSM sure make it easy for him by putting out so much BS. Trump may very well end up being the worst US President in history, and the media has so much truth to use against him, but of course on top of that they feel the need to tell half truths or just outright make up things at times to try to make Trump look even worse, which in turn is ruining what little reputation they have left. There's no need to try to make Trump look even worse than he already is when he's already probably the biggest clown of a US President ever. MSM just can't help themselves though and put out story after story that end up getting shown to be false. I understand that someone needs to hold Trump in check. I want alternative media to be the ones to do it (yes, there is plenty of progressive alternative media), while MSM dies off, but I don't think the establishment is going to let that happen. I don't think it's a good idea to be propping up the establishment or the establishment media right now. The establishment are the ones to blame for giving you Trump. Trump was a response to the establishment. Propping up the establishment is only going to give you another Trump in the future. This is why we should be propping up progressive alternative/ independent media and progressives like Bernie Sanders. Don't make the same mistakes over again that gave you Trump.

There is no way short of 45 scull fucking a baby on camera you could make him look worse. He is not only FLAT OUT the worst president in U.S. History his DANGEROUS on top of that so much so 50 former REPUBLICAN intel agents wrote a letter and signed it last year warning of what his Presidency could lead to, and we are seeing his very dangerous tactics playing out every day.

If you want to go after media, do that separately and challenge the individual story and or reporter, but every time you say, "but there is fake news" you are allowing him to control the narrative and make excuses for very dangerous carpet bombing of the very important cornerstone that protects a free society, the press.

It is our roll, not his, it is the media's roll, to police each other. If you want to know what vilifying media from a political seat of power to silence dissent can lead to look no further than WW2 Germany and even now North Korea.

Even though I distrust much media and understand almost every media outlet brings bias to bear, I trust most of those outlets far more than I trust Trump.

(August 28, 2017 at 3:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Even though I distrust much media and understand almost every media outlet brings bias to bear, I trust most of those outlets far more than I trust Trump.

The corporate news networks do chase ratings and nobody should deny that, but on average when you take all the local stations and local newspapers nationally into account there still are lots of objective reporters and even the national networks do put out lagit stories. 

So yea, if you are going to ask me to chose between say CNN or BBC or NYT or Washington Post vs a lying sack of shit I agree, I'll go to them before I would take 45s word for it.

(August 28, 2017 at 3:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Even though I distrust much media and understand almost every media outlet brings bias to bear, I trust most of those outlets far more than I trust Trump.

And the competition means they check each other. Keeps them more honest that a single source system would.

(August 28, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 3:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Even though I distrust much media and understand almost every media outlet brings bias to bear, I trust most of those outlets far more than I trust Trump.

And the competition means they check each other. Keeps them more honest that a single source system would.

Our competitive media isn't perfect by any stretch no, but it certainly is far better than say the state run media of Saudi Arabia or North Korea. 45 hates having his ego bruised and acts like he would love absolute power over media.

(August 28, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: And the competition means they check each other. Keeps them more honest that a single source system would.

Our competitive media isn't perfect by any stretch no, but it certainly is far better than say the state run media of Saudi Arabia or North Korea. 45 hates having his ego bruised and acts like he would love absolute power over media.

He's the master of "HOW DARE YOU!!!"

(August 28, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 28, 2017 at 4:00 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: And the competition means they check each other. Keeps them more honest that a single source system would.

Our competitive media isn't perfect by any stretch no, but it certainly is far better than say the state run media of Saudi Arabia or North Korea. 45 hates having his ego bruised and acts like he would love absolute power over media.

"The uniformity and obedience of the media, which any dictator would admire, thus succeeds in concealing what is plainly the real reason for the US attack, sometimes conceded openly by Administration spokesmen." (Noam Chomsky, Turning the Tide postscript, Sec. 2.3).