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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 2, 2011 at 6:26 pm
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2011 at 6:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're using purpose as proof of what, exactly, and what exactly do you mean by purpose. It's useful to define these things, so that one can't back out later.
A conversation about somethings prupose, or ones own purpose, can be interesting. However when you elevate your beliefs about purpose to the position of cosmic truth, that's some scary shit.
So, frodo, the proper way to interpret the story of adam and eve is what, short as possible, smallest words you can fit?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 2, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Hehe!  Exit at the ready??
What does purpose prove?? It's more what purpose answers. How it helps.
Purpose : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
Religion should be about the non material in my mind, but some people like to mix it up.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 2, 2011 at 7:06 pm
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At what point then may the immaterial have an effect on the material?
Also, as per your link.
"Purpose is a result, end, mean, aim, or goal of an action intentionally undertaken"
You have proof that this is an intentional undertaking? This is clearly the meaning of purpose which you are advocating. Or have I misread you, and you don't believe this existence to be intentional, and instead prefer some other meaning of purpose?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 1:36 am
(August 2, 2011 at 1:15 am)Cinjin Wrote: (August 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: This is a story of love as a parent loves a child.
Nope, can't have it both ways. I would not kick my child out of my house for what is essentially a simple lie. Your god loved himself, and he has proven that throughout your silly bible. You simply choose not to see it.
Your god BURNS PEOPLE who don't love him. How do you not see this?!? Your god loves himself far more than he could EVER love you. Sheep.
God removed the imperfect from the perfect, He gave them the whole world as a home. God did not allow them to stay in the garden to keep them from the tree of life, He did not want them to live forever in their sin in fleshly bodies, also they had to pay the price of sin spiritual and physical death, if they had eaten from the tree of life they would have lived forever. Also, I do not think that hell for humans is a firey place, so your burn forever argument doesn't work for what I believe. God loves me more than you can ever know, that is unless you become a believer.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 1:41 am
If I recall correctly, your version of hell is interactive and partially self imposed. Leading to all manner of perverted sadist/masochist fantasies on your part. Just imagine all the writhing sinful souls.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 2:00 am
(August 3, 2011 at 1:36 am)Godschild Wrote: (August 2, 2011 at 1:15 am)Cinjin Wrote: (August 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: This is a story of love as a parent loves a child.
Nope, can't have it both ways. I would not kick my child out of my house for what is essentially a simple lie. Your god loved himself, and he has proven that throughout your silly bible. You simply choose not to see it.
Your god BURNS PEOPLE who don't love him. How do you not see this?!? Your god loves himself far more than he could EVER love you. Sheep.
God removed the imperfect from the perfect, He gave them the whole world as a home. God did not allow them to stay in the garden to keep them from the tree of life, He did not want them to live forever in their sin in fleshly bodies, also they had to pay the price of sin spiritual and physical death, if they had eaten from the tree of life they would have lived forever. Also, I do not think that hell for humans is a firey place, so your burn forever argument doesn't work for what I believe. God loves me more than you can ever know, that is unless you become a believer.
Nope. That's nearly the exact same thing you were saying before. You've added nothing. It does not give justification to your god on any level. You are talking in circles. It's the tired old argument, "God HAD to do it - cause he's god" - and - "god loves me ... cause I said so"
Nope. Anyone else on earth who treated you the way god treated Adam and Eve (and all of mankind for that matter) would not be someone you would EVER consider to love you. You are blind and as I said before, you see what you want to see. Your god has no idea what love is. But don't be too sad about this. He's not real, and you have nothing to worry about.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 2:22 am
(August 2, 2011 at 6:54 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Religion should be about the non material in my mind, but some people like to mix it up.
Then perhaps religion should stop making claims about the material world. Perhaps the religious should just abandon all of the arguments that hinge upon the material. Like Genesis, Miracles, Vicarious Salvation, Damnation, and Armageddon (off the top of my head), oh that's right, if they did that they wouldn't actually have any sort of traditional christianity whatsoever. I guess they could still call themselves christian though, couldn't they Frodo.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 2:27 am
(August 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: This is a story of love as a parent loves a child. There was no dragon in the garden, scripture calls it a serpent, if it were a dragon I believe scripture would have said as much. I'm sure you will find this difficult also, for what ever reason but it's not.
WROOOOOOOONG. Also, either way you slice it, a persuasive snake is quite preposterous to me.
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 2:43 am
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God does not know love only because he has not found me. Just about everyone else has and is way ahead of him... he might as well be a virgin for what he's experienced.
Though come to think, he's probably carrying a divine number of diseases... might have to step lightly around this one 
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Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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RE: An argument against Adam and Eve
August 3, 2011 at 2:51 am
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Well, to be perfect, he would have to posses all attributes, so, i suppose, that makes him H.I. Syphilorhea positive, doesn't it. That passes for logic amongst the washed does it not?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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