(September 4, 2017 at 7:40 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't think any human can claim they represent reason but the chosen ones.

I rely on the chosen ones, and I rely on the guide, that has clear evidence for his authority.

Neither Dawkins nor Harris represent the right path of reasoning and what reasoning leads to.

Reasoning and reflection is the path the Quran calls to and doesn't value worshiping God without it.

Why should I trust you guys know how to reason properly?  Because you emphasize on it? So what?

I have seen nothing but a mockery of reason from you guys.

The best reasoning is mocked, the best reflections are dismissed, and you are immersed in doubt for the sake of doubting....

If you don't know when to stop doubting, then doubting becomes purposeless, you have to recognize when to realize truth and acknowledge it. When evidence is presented even if it goes against your most treasured desires, you got to abandon it.

The Truth is reason is best represented by God's chosen ones, who can teach us how to recite God's book and connect us to him through that recitation.

They are light and the eyes we are meant to perceive by.

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(September 5, 2017 at 7:00 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 5, 2017 at 1:57 am)Brakeman Wrote: It's really too bad that despite your "personal relationship" with jesus you can't actually have a conversation with him, you know, a real conversation where new information is passed in English. If you could you could have jesus do the talking for you and maybe convince even old dodgers like Min and I.

When you pray, you have to translate warm and fuzzy feelings, but your god supposedly passed on intricate histories and conversations to some middle eastern scribes to make your bible. Funny how god could talk to the nobody scribes and write shit down but not to you. Kinda shows you that you're not high on your god's list doesn't it? Does your god know you are a faker too? Is that why he's not talking to you?

Here few points.

1) It is the nut case that started this thread that should give evidence that Jesus was a bad person considering that he think so.

2) I do not pray anyone.
Why should I?
I don't follow religions in which people ask for the daily bread or miracles.
In yoga you got to work hard to get your daily bread or to sort out your problems.

3) Jesus never intended to start any religion.
In fact he opposed religions that is why the priest of his time convinced Pilate to kill him.

4) From what we know Jesus did nothing wrong to be vituperate.

5) Nut cases relay on what religions say about Jesus but Jesus never agree with religions so anyone who vituperate Jesus on the bases of what religions say is obviously a nut case.
If you also put the fact that religions have committed so many crimes then their reputation convince anyone that whatever religions say is wrong even when they say something that occasionally make sense.

Oh hi, Rik. Good to see you're still doing the same god-damn thing as ever 

Wouldn't we first need proof that Jesus was a person before we start worrying about whether he was a bad one?

Also, Jesus seems pretty supportive of the old Jewish laws (except when he conveniently breaks them), and I'm pretty sure Judaism is a religion.

(September 5, 2017 at 7:00 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 5, 2017 at 1:57 am)Brakeman Wrote: It's really too bad that despite your "personal relationship" with jesus you can't actually have a conversation with him, you know, a real conversation where new information is passed in English. If you could you could have jesus do the talking for you and maybe convince even old dodgers like Min and I.

When you pray, you have to translate warm and fuzzy feelings, but your god supposedly passed on intricate histories and conversations to some middle eastern scribes to make your bible. Funny how god could talk to the nobody scribes and write shit down but not to you. Kinda shows you that you're not high on your god's list doesn't it? Does your god know you are a faker too? Is that why he's not talking to you?

Here few points.

..
3) Jesus never intended to start any religion.
In fact he opposed religions that is why the priest of his time convinced Pilate to kill him.

4) From what we know Jesus did nothing wrong to be vituperate.

..

The ONLY reason you know ANYTHING about magic jesus is because the religious authors convinced gullible morons that a god talked to them and told them a wild story. You know nothing about a "real" human jesus if he even existed.

(September 5, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 7:40 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't think any human can claim they represent reason but the chosen ones.

I rely on the chosen ones, and I rely on the guide, that has clear evidence for his authority.

Neither Dawkins nor Harris represent the right path of reasoning and what reasoning leads to.

Reasoning and reflection is the path the Quran calls to and doesn't value worshiping God without it.

Why should I trust you guys know how to reason properly?  Because you emphasize on it? So what?

I have seen nothing but a mockery of reason from you guys.

The best reasoning is mocked, the best reflections are dismissed, and you are immersed in doubt for the sake of doubting....

If you don't know when to stop doubting, then doubting becomes purposeless, you have to recognize when to realize truth and acknowledge it. When evidence is presented even if it goes against your most treasured desires, you got to abandon it.

The Truth is reason is best represented by God's chosen ones, who can teach us how to recite God's book and connect us to him through that recitation.

They are light and the eyes we are meant to perceive by.

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(September 5, 2017 at 7:00 am)Little Rik Wrote: Here few points.

1) It is the nut case that started this thread that should give evidence that Jesus was a bad person considering that he think so.

2) I do not pray anyone.
Why should I?
I don't follow religions in which people ask for the daily bread or miracles.
In yoga you got to work hard to get your daily bread or to sort out your problems.

3) Jesus never intended to start any religion.
In fact he opposed religions that is why the priest of his time convinced Pilate to kill him.

4) From what we know Jesus did nothing wrong to be vituperate.

5) Nut cases relay on what religions say about Jesus but Jesus never agree with religions so anyone who vituperate Jesus on the bases of what religions say is obviously a nut case.
If you also put the fact that religions have committed so many crimes then their reputation convince anyone that whatever religions say is wrong even when they say something that occasionally make sense.

Oh hi, Rik. Good to see you're still doing the same god-damn thing as ever 

Wouldn't we first need proof that Jesus was a person before we start worrying about whether he was a bad one?

Also, Jesus seems pretty supportive of the old Jewish laws (except when he conveniently breaks them), and I'm pretty sure Judaism is a religion.

Congratulation Pinky.  
How could you manage to write a post void of swearing?
This is a good sign.
Maybe one day you may well leave the darkness and merge into the light.




But here we are with your questions.

1) Judaism is a religion.
Who ever said the opposite?
Jesus may well have respected some of the traditions within this religion so what?
It doesn't mean that because religions are mainly build on dogma 100% of what religions say is wrong.

The same apply to anybody.
A mate of mine called Pinky is a bit of a nut case but within in his subconscious there is a light that sooner or later will lead him higher and higher.
In other words it is important to tell Pinky how wrong he is but at the same time respect his divinity within.

Jesus was a man of no compromises that is why he was a special human being.
Tell what is wrong and agree with what is correct.

2) There is enough evidence that Jesus was a person as there is enough evidence that Caesar cross the Rubicon or the Vikings went around stealing and killing.

You can't believe only what you like and refuse to believe what goes against your agenda.  

(September 4, 2017 at 8:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(September 4, 2017 at 8:01 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No.

We just don't take words from a discredited book written on behalf of an illiterate child molester to be anything more than what it is: a control mechanism over the weak minded.

You want to discredit the book of God on the basis of your desires from something itself forbids (it forbids marrying children and even says the age of marriage is that of the most prime time of a human, when they are their greatest strength and when they are sufficient intelligence to be guided in life) and from something narrated by the very people it tells us to not trust and not to take their words for granted.

You want to deny what is for certain and has clear proofs by what doesn't but is just noise from those who wish to put out God's light.

You can't discredit "the book from god" before it is legitimately credited to it.

(September 6, 2017 at 6:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: You can't believe only what you like and refuse to believe what goes against your agenda.  

Yep, LR broke the internet again. The TCP/IP packets were so busy laughing they forgot to shake hands...

(September 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 6, 2017 at 6:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: You can't believe only what you like and refuse to believe what goes against your agenda.  

Ok. then.

Let us burn all books of history.  
All of them.
None of them carry any solid evidence.

None of you guys witness any of the events that people who lived in the past described and wrote so according to your demented idea nothing is true.
How on hell can you be so so so stupid?  

(September 7, 2017 at 6:57 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Ok. then.

Let us burn all books of history.  
All of them.
None of them carry any solid evidence.

None of you guys witness any of the events that people who lived in the past described and wrote so according to your demented idea nothing is true.
How on hell can you be so so so stupid?  

Yeah.  You apparently know nothing about historical evidence, but WE'RE the idiots.

(September 7, 2017 at 7:57 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(September 7, 2017 at 6:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Ok. then.

Let us burn all books of history.  
All of them.
None of them carry any solid evidence.

None of you guys witness any of the events that people who lived in the past described and wrote so according to your demented idea nothing is true.
How on hell can you be so so so stupid?  

Yeah.  You apparently know nothing about historical evidence, but WE'RE the idiots.

You certainly are stupid guys.

Even in the NDE issue you guys show how stupid you are when most of you come up with the fantasy story that a brain void of blood and oxygen is able to put together a sharp, clear and vivid experience.

This is the clear and vivid evidence of how stupid you guys are.  

(September 7, 2017 at 8:30 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 7, 2017 at 7:57 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Yeah.  You apparently know nothing about historical evidence, but WE'RE the idiots.

You certainly are stupid guys.

Even in the NDE issue you guys show how stupid you are when most of you come up with the fantasy story that a brain void of blood and oxygen is able to put together a sharp, clear and vivid experience.

This is the clear and vivid evidence of how stupid you guys are.  

Then go away.  Your goofy posts do nothing but inure people to anything you have to say, so, unless it's just for entertainment, you're not accomplishing anything here.