(August 17, 2017 at 9:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah as far as I know, no Muslim church has married a gay couple

To be fair, Muslims do not typically get married in mosques.

(August 17, 2017 at 7:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(August 17, 2017 at 3:14 pm)Aegon Wrote: I'm not personally afraid of ISIS, but yeah Islamic sharia law is just a list of human rights violations. Statistics from Pew Research Center show that a significant number of Muslims want sharia law or sympathize with radical causes.

I think Islam is 600 years behind the world and needs to change. Millions suffer every day because of it. This is where I separate from most liberals, who would call me Islamophobic for thinking that.

All religion is obsolete.

Sure, but my point is, can you name an oppressive Christian regime enforcing Old Testament laws in 2017?

(August 17, 2017 at 9:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: Ignorance of not understanding, "That was then, this is now" is a threat to our species, in every religion, not just Islam.

Human beings get sold the religious of their parents prior to having critical thinking skills. NO I am not saying you can force any religion out of existence via government, you cant. But ignorance does lead to divisions even under the same umbrella label, such as Sunnis and Shiite. But the same can be said between white Trump voting evangelicals and black Obama voting baptists, it is still the same religion.

Our species does have the COMMON ability to be non violent and compassionate. But the problem is we don't see the bigger picture enough, we tend to defend that which is local and we are familiar with. Religion won't go away, nobody should delude themselves into thinking that. But it has to be challenged and questioned and even blasphemed when it is used to create divisions and attack scientific fact.

All 7 billion of us are still the same species regardless.

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Quote:paulpablo pid='1604317' dateline='1502966631']Both my Grandfathers survived the world wars, one of them with a stack of medals.

The biggest most recent act of a horrible murder in my local area was by the Muslim who killed those children at the Ariane Grande concert.

But I don't see Muslims as "the real threat" I've never seen any propaganda saying Muslims are the real threat and you're very likely to die from them.  I've just seen recent news reports of quite a few Muslims being arrested trying to make plans to kill.

Statistically speaking the real threat to me is cancer and traffic.

Yes and no. Statistically speaking yes, you are more likely to die from a disease or car accident than a terrorist attack. But it still remains that Charleston SC happened, Charlottesville Va happened and 9/11 happened. It still remains that humans DO pick up holy books and justify harm to other based upon what they read and their indoctrination from others.

The danger of not challenging ANY RELIGION, is you end up with oppressive theocracies like Saudi Arabia or WW2 Germany. 

I don't see Atlass33 as an individual as a threat, no, but he does read the same book that Bin Ladin did. Just like WW2 Germans were reading the same bible Martin Luther King Jr did.

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Take a look at this map that shows Christian denominations by States.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov...692172460f  Notice where the majority of Baptists are.

Now look at the States that Obama won in 2012. http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics...Zkj2RRlljT.  Did Obama win where the Baptists are the majority (maybe Florida but not necessarily where the Baptists are in the majority).

(August 17, 2017 at 10:01 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 17, 2017 at 9:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah as far as I know, no Muslim church has married a gay couple

To be fair, Muslims do not typically get married in mosques.

I didn't mean physically in the building, I meant like married within the Muslim faith - by an Imam.

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(August 17, 2017 at 9:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(August 17, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If he thinks Lebanon is so much better, then he should move the ef back.

That was my point.

But apparently that was "racist".

Yeah, I saw. What a complete mother effer. 

Here in America, I'm much more worried about white supremacists than I am about Muslims.

(August 17, 2017 at 6:06 am)chimp3 Wrote: WW1 and 2 are over , right? We can not change the past. Who are the big threats now? That is what matters. North Korea, Trump, Putin, Pakistan and the Wahhabists/Salafists are the biggest threats in my book.

Muslim governments are only a threat to their local citizens and neighbor countries. I care about what "was" because what we see today is the consequence of the past. 

paulpablo

Quote:Both my Grandfathers survived the world wars, one of them with a stack of medals.

The biggest most recent act of a horrible murder in my local area was by the Muslim who killed those children at the Ariane Grande concert.

But I don't see Muslims as "the real threat" I've never seen any propaganda saying Muslims are the real threat and you're very likely to die from them.  I've just seen recent news reports of quite a few Muslims being arrested trying to make plans to kill.

Statistically speaking the real threat to me is cancer and traffic.

I did hear white supremacists documentaries, one of the top shelve ideas they sell is that the white race is at risk due to the immigration of Muslims to Europe.
Real dangers and real threats never ring a bell to many; though.

Alex K

Quote:Who apart from historians cares who were the threats 100 years ago??!

It makes you make sense of things around you.

Sterben

Heh ?

Brian37

Quote:Ignorance of not understanding, "That was then, this is now" is a threat to our species, in every religion, not just Islam.

Human beings get sold the religious of their parents prior to having critical thinking skills. NO I am not saying you can force any religion out of existence via government, you cant. But ignorance does lead to divisions even under the same umbrella label, such as Sunnis and Shiite. But the same can be said between white Trump voting evangelicals and black Obama voting baptists, it is still the same religion.

Our species does have the COMMON ability to be non violent and compassionate. But the problem is we don't see the bigger picture enough, we tend to defend that which is local and we are familiar with. Religion won't go away, nobody should delude themselves into thinking that. But it has to be challenged and questioned and even blasphemed when it is used to create divisions and attack scientific fact.

All 7 billion of us are still the same species regardless.

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The past isn't so different from the future, actually it even builds it.
So "then" and "now" are more of a blurry line to me when it comes to who people are.

That selling is in itself a contradiction to the "that was then, this is now" rule.

Quote:I don't see Atlass33 as an individual as a threat, no, but he does read the same book that Bin Ladin did. Just like WW2 Germans were reading the same bible Martin Luther King Jr did.

That's not totally true; Bin Laden's views are based on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism

This is a misconception: believe it or not Brian, most extreme actions need other books (Hadith books) to make them an actual Islamic sentence.

That's the main reason Jihadists blow each other too: difference of affiliations and opinions.

Bin Laden used his sects' books. He never used the Quran alone.

So the books I read and the books he reads differ a lot. And by a lot, I mean "to a life or death points"


paulpablo

Quote:If you were in the wrong place in Barcelona today the answer is definitely yes.

You and the victims have my deepest sympathies.


Catholic_Lady

Quote:I am not afraid of Muslims in general. Not the ones in the US. But I am afraid of ISIS, and I hate the Islamic culture/sharia law in the middle eastern countries. I fear for my husband when he has to go out to Syria and fight the bastards.

Since America's intervention in Iraq; clashing with locals became a must.
Pilots don't see their targets:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...49486.html

FatAndFaithless

Quote: Agree with CL. I'm not afraid of conservatives in general, but I'm afraid of the KKK, for example. Being concerned with a legitimate threat isn't propaganda or racism or bigotry. The part where it does stray to bigotry is when one starts applying the actions of a specific group to the general group, or when they conflate something like "Muslim" with "brown people"...which admittedly does happen a lot.

Pointing out the wrongs and classifying them never hurts; but the brain usually picks the easiest route; and that is racism and stereotyping.

Not all Muslims are Osama.

Aegon

Quote: I'm not personally afraid of ISIS, but yeah Islamic sharia law is just a list of human rights violations. Statistics from Pew Research Center show that a significant number of Muslims want sharia law or sympathize with radical causes.

I think Islam is 600 years behind the world and needs to change. Millions suffer every day because of it. This is where I separate from most liberals, who would call me Islamophobic for thinking that.

Sharia law received the worst sponsors in the whole globe: Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, to be fair they did an amount of damage that worth these 600 years, if you follow Hadith books you'll live in the dark ages; that's for sure.

Catholic_Lady

Quote:I agree, egg. Even in the more advanced islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, they still penalize people who are not Muslim, treat women like property, and execute gays and atheists.

Saudi Arabia is not even close to being advanced.
Money doesn't buy class.

CapnAwesome

Quote: The entire history of Islam is war and conflict, either with the west, east, or each other. Also the Turks were definitely involved in WWI. Ignorant view of history.

I remember many wars; like "the War of the Roses", "the Hundred Years War", it just so many wars that I can't even recall ! though keep WW2 out of it; I mean the casualties at Stalingrad was above Millions, but who cares??

It's just those liberals; can't see ISIS paying Hitler to fight the war !

Khemikal

That's an interesting figure. What Britain did was inviting for a revolt.

CapnAwesome

Quote: Most muslim regimes are what we would call right-wing anyway. Extremely right wing. 

Right wing extremists want to stay in their countries; and fuck foreigners
Many -if not most- Muslims want to fuck people after taking their land.

Kinda like ISIS in Raqqa,Syria.
The Middle East doesn't even use "right and left" like America/Europe: we don't have a French revolution.

All you see is utter cheap copy-catting of Europeans and Americans (like drinking Whiskey).
Mostly; the politics in the region follow the disgusting copy-catting of the West, that results in lots and lots of death.

(August 21, 2017 at 4:22 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Khemikal

That's an interesting figure. What Britain did was inviting for a revolt.

-and that's why islamic culture is doomed to repeat it's many mistakes, time and time again.  It's always someone elses fault.

I think a follower of the non threatening religion was stopped outside Buckingham palace today with a sword, they used CS gas to stop this man.

A bomb went off on the London Underground today, my guess is that it was the non threatening religion spreading peace again.

This seems to happen a lot more in Europe than it does here in the US....