(September 22, 2017 at 1:28 pm)JamieBra Wrote:

(September 22, 2017 at 1:11 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Also another "reason" against vaccination:

"Human papillomavirus can be transmitted non-sexually. According to Health News, HPV can't be killed by disinfectants, so there is a risk of being infected by a medical instrument or tool that harbors the virus. Also, a pregnant woman is able to transmit the virus to her unborn baby."

Yeah, as if there is another reason like misogyny. Just like you pointed out it's not about sex, women get HPV from other sources, but it's supposed to be the guys that get affected, so bishops supposedly think if guys are afraid that they'll get HPV they'll want less sex, but even that to me doesn't make sense. At that time (2012) I remember watching some BBC documentary about how women should be vaccinated against HPV because guys will get HPV trough oral sex and develop throat cancer (did someone say Michael Douglas?). Which again doesn't make sense because there would be hoards of guys dying for quite long time by now so BBC's answer to this is that guys didn't do oral on women until 1990s and they even pointed a particular event that popularized it which was Clinton's affair to Monica Lewinsky. Which is again nonsense because at least they have porn stars on record doing it and no one had those problems.

So sexual reasons for not vaccinating against HPV seem really weak. Bishops simply want less women and virus that causes ovarian cancer is the one. Especially when you're a bishop and see everything as a message from god and you interpret it as you want.

(September 22, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(September 22, 2017 at 8:56 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Um, because one is wilfully reckless, and the other isn't.

I understand that, but it doesn't change the actual outcome. If going to school as an unvaccinated child poses a risk for everyone else, then that is the case regardless of the reason for why they are unvaccinated.

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How about this:

The unvaccinated children's parents are required to report to the school that their child is not vaccinated. And if there is another unvaccinated child in that school who has not been vaccinated for legit medical reasons, then arrangements have to be made to be sure the 2 kids are not in the same classes together and try to avoid each other.

I think you have a very valid argument, and I agree with your point. But I think trying to find some middle ground and trying to come up with a way to handle the situation without having to outright discriminate a kid from public school would be a better alternative.

How 'bout parents who are too stupid and too lazy to do a little actual research keep ther fuckin petri dish kids at home and not pass yet another cost on to the already underfunded schools. "Middle ground" for shit like this is still going to get somebody killed.

It's really fucking simple. Immunize your kids unless there is an actual medical reason not to. Any parent who doesn't should be punished for child neglect.

Seems a bit extreme to me, imho.

(September 22, 2017 at 1:28 pm)JamieBra Wrote: "Human papillomavirus can be transmitted non-sexually. According to Health News, HPV can't be killed by disinfectants, so there is a risk of being infected by a medical instrument or tool that harbors the virus. Also, a pregnant woman is able to transmit the virus to her unborn baby."

Sorry but going to a little medically anal here. A more accurate statement would be: HPV can't be killed by the most popular disinfectants. 

It can be inactivated by na hypochlorite and PPA silver.

(September 22, 2017 at 5:13 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(September 22, 2017 at 1:28 pm)JamieBra Wrote: "Human papillomavirus can be transmitted non-sexually. According to Health News, HPV can't be killed by disinfectants, so there is a risk of being infected by a medical instrument or tool that harbors the virus. Also, a pregnant woman is able to transmit the virus to her unborn baby."

Sorry but going to a little medically anal here. A more accurate statement would be: HPV can't be killed by the most popular disinfectants. 

It can be inactivated by na hypochlorite and PPA silver.

Interesting. Thank doc. I didn't know that.

(September 22, 2017 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Seems a bit extreme to me, imho.

Keeping your own and other kids safe sounds extreme?!?

Quote:Seems a bit extreme to me, imho.

Child neglect is extreme

(September 22, 2017 at 5:31 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(September 22, 2017 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Seems a bit extreme to me, imho.

Keeping your own and other kids safe sounds extreme?!?

That's a bit of a loaded comment.   

It seems extreme to say that parents who don't vaccinate their kids should be criminally punished with child neglect charges. For one, they think they are keeping their kids safe by not vaccinating them. If there is family history of autoimmune disorders, other immune issues, methylation issues, or if they've had a bad experience with vaccines in the past, then I can see why a parent may be hesitant. I don't agree with it, but I don't agree with all this over blown hatred towards these people either. This whole ordeal about villainizing people who are not on "our" side of an argument is where my pushback is coming from here.

Quote:For one, they think they are keeping their kids safe

Yup so did that mom who drowned kids in the bath tube . Guess where she is ?

Quote:If there is family history of autoimmune disorders,other immune issues,

Already was addressed .

Quote:methylation issues

Their is no serious evidence of this.

These people are quacks . Dangerous quacks.

(September 22, 2017 at 5:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: That's a bit of a loaded comment.   

It seems extreme to say that parents who don't vaccinate their kids should be criminally punished with child neglect charges. For one, they think they are keeping their kids safe by not vaccinating them. If there is family history of autoimmune disorders, other immune issues, methylation issues, or if they've had a bad experience with vaccines in the past, then I can see why a parent may be hesitant. I don't agree with it, but I don't agree with all this over blown hatred towards these people either. This whole ordeal about villainizing people who are not on "our" side of an argument is where my pushback is coming from here.

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Those would more than likely fall into the medical exemption category. I think they are talking about otherwise healthy kids whose parents don't comply with the vaccination law.