(October 11, 2017 at 8:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I've been waiting to see a damaged vet with working knowledge of IEDs and some good range time go HAM.  It's bound to happen, and when it does, I expect big numbers.

Hey! We're not all crazy. 

Are we?

(October 12, 2017 at 6:36 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 11, 2017 at 8:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I've been waiting to see a damaged vet with working knowledge of IEDs and some good range time go HAM.  It's bound to happen, and when it does, I expect big numbers.

Hey! We're not all crazy. 

Are we?

       I don't know, some of the Vets male and female come back with a major mental problems. You also have to account for these right wing Christians groups with compounds stocked with guns and ammo for the end of the world as well has the southerns with guns, they are spooky people. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_or...ted_States).

Do you feel "safe" now, Dad?

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2...1710050158

Quote:Police: Eastern Pa. man fatally shoots self after he drops gun while calming child

Quote:Berwick police say 28-year-old Kenneth Morris reached through the car’s rear driver’s side door to comfort his son when the .357 Magnum fell from Morris’ shoulder holster. When Morris tried to grab the falling gun, he accidentally pulled the trigger, shooting himself in the stomach.

Yup, guns keep the whole family "safe".

(October 12, 2017 at 9:20 am)Sterben Wrote:

(October 12, 2017 at 6:36 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Hey! We're not all crazy. 

Are we?

       I don't know, some of the Vets male and female come back with a major mental problems. You also have to account for these right wing Christians groups with compounds stocked with guns and ammo for the end of the world as well has the southerns with guns, they are spooky people. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_or...ted_States).

Nobody ever has a link to hard numbers for crazy vets. Sometimes they look up numbers ex post facto, but most of the time it's "accepted wisdom", aka "internet bullshit".

https://nvf.org/veteran-mental-health-facts-statistics/

Quote:According to the RAND Center for Military Health Policy Research 20% of the vets who served in either Iraq or Afghanistan suffer from either major depression or post-traumatic stress disorder. 19.5% of vets in these two categories have experienced a traumatic brain injury. These three service related disorders alone have an enormous impact on the demand for veteran mental health treatment.

The problem with stats like this is that they do not distinguish between the grunts out on patrol and the guys who are back at HQ keeping the computers running or driving a forklift in the warehouse.

I submit to you that a better indicator would be "what percentage of those who are out in the boondocks" have PTSD or other mental health issues.  That might be too scary a number even for the army to put out.

(October 15, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: https://nvf.org/veteran-mental-health-facts-statistics/

Quote:According to the RAND Center for Military Health Policy Research 20% of the vets who served in either Iraq or Afghanistan suffer from either major depression or post-traumatic stress disorder. 19.5% of vets in these two categories have experienced a traumatic brain injury. These three service related disorders alone have an enormous impact on the demand for veteran mental health treatment.

The problem with stats like this is that they do not distinguish between the grunts out on patrol and the guys who are back at HQ keeping the computers running or driving a forklift in the warehouse.

I submit to you that a better indicator would be "what percentage of those who are out in the boondocks" have PTSD or other mental health issues.  That might be too scary a number even for the army to put out.

REMFs can get PTSD, especially if the other side provides them with some excitement. Some have gotten it waiting for the shit to hit the fan. They really shouldn't have been there in the first place.

As for the TBIs, that's 19.5% of 20%?

(October 15, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 12, 2017 at 9:20 am)Sterben Wrote:        I don't know, some of the Vets male and female come back with a major mental problems. You also have to account for these right wing Christians groups with compounds stocked with guns and ammo for the end of the world as well has the southerns with guns, they are spooky people. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_or...ted_States).

Nobody ever has a link to hard numbers for crazy vets. Sometimes they look up numbers ex post facto, but most of the time it's "accepted wisdom", aka "internet bullshit".

     The question of numbers is something that is important, it be nice have more detailed data for the numbers of Vets with P.T.S.D or brain injures as well as private citizens who have never served in the military. What the primary concern is, how do we stop groups or individuals from gathering weapons and ammunition.


     The idea of a complete assault weapon ban is a great idea; we need to take a step further though. The ammo for these types of weapons should be removed entirely from store shelves and from the internet sites. Increasing the price of the ammunition would put a small dent in the problem, but if we are to put any major dent in this issue, the ammo for these weapons needs to be discontinued from main stream production and only sold to the military. With civilian contractors in charge of shipping and watching the billing of these company's. It's a win-win for everyone, the ammo ammunition is next to impossible to get and jobs are created to replace the ones lost in the mass production of ammunition.

Group sex and drug session ends in fatal shooting

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(October 17, 2017 at 8:32 pm)Sterben Wrote:

(October 15, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Nobody ever has a link to hard numbers for crazy vets. Sometimes they look up numbers ex post facto, but most of the time it's "accepted wisdom", aka "internet bullshit".

     The question of numbers is something that is important, it be nice have more detailed data for the numbers of Vets with P.T.S.D or brain injures as well as private citizens who have never served in the military. What the primary concern is, how do we stop groups or individuals from gathering weapons and ammunition.


     The idea of a complete assault weapon ban is a great idea; we need to take a step further though. The ammo for these types of weapons should be removed entirely from store shelves and from the internet sites. Increasing the price of the ammunition would put a small dent in the problem, but if we are to put any major dent in this issue, the ammo for these weapons needs to be discontinued from main stream production and only sold to the military. With civilian contractors in charge of shipping and watching the billing of these company's. It's a win-win for everyone, the ammo ammunition is next to impossible to get and jobs are created to replace the ones lost in the mass production of ammunition.

Instant black market.

Quote:As for the TBIs, that's 19.5% of 20%?

That's the way I read it.  Concussion I suppose because not too many people survive a bullet through the brain.

(October 18, 2017 at 12:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:As for the TBIs, that's 19.5% of 20%?

That's the way I read it.  Concussion I suppose because not too many people survive a bullet through the brain.

Yep, bullets to the head is far from the leading cause of TBIs with GIs. Concussive trauma leads, or did when I was active.