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October 20, 2017 at 9:59 pm (This post was last modified: October 20, 2017 at 9:59 pm by Joods.)
(October 20, 2017 at 9:54 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: ^context but what can I expect from such "honest" person.
Says the guy who attempted miserably to shift the goal posts less than an hour ago.
Get the fuck over yourself MK. You aren't that special and you sure as hell aren't entitled to tell any gay person that they are wrong for loving who they do.
I think this thread is past its purpose. You have no credibility here so you can take your precious Quran and stick it where the sun doesn't shine - without lube.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
(October 20, 2017 at 9:55 pm)emjay Wrote: Still waiting to hear if you want to chuck me off a roof, MK. I don't care if you do, but I want to know where you stand on that.
Well On my knowledge:
1) If there is punishment, it certainly is not death.
2) The reasoning of a man and woman being punished for sex outside wedlock is not the same as that has consequences in form children being born out of wedlock and other problems.
3) The nature of the choice is not the same, it is more of psychological caving in type thing....so I don't think a punishment will cure that or help in any form.
4) In conclusion, I don't know, not sure, have to research more, can't apply apples to oranges.
October 20, 2017 at 10:01 pm (This post was last modified: October 20, 2017 at 10:11 pm by Joods.)
(October 20, 2017 at 9:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I will never accept homosexuals or bisexuals in the sense I will never condone their actions as moral or neutral, to me they are evil choices they have made.
Good you don't have to.
I've said it before. If you don't like gay sex, don't have it. But you do not ever get to sit in judgement of other people for their life choices. What they do behind closed doors is none of your fucking business.
Quote:I have presented so far four arguments in this thread, and I have more, as to why they are evil choices. And as the clarity from God expected regarding this, that is another argument, I have not argued because it will just turn to another debate about God and we all know the reason people deny God is to avoid his judgment and submission to his chosen Leaders who he has given authority to.
What you have presented is nothing but insults and a degrading attitude towards people who do not share in your biased and ignorant opinions. Opinions, by the way, based largely on a book written thousands of years ago, of which you have no proof anywhere that your supposed god even existed. You want to base your entire premise off of the opines of people who lives dozens of centuries ago and didn't even have the forethought to realize that goat fucking (read: bestiality) was wrong, yet they thought that a man sticking his dick into another man's arse, was an utter sin?
You wanna talk about evil? I know lube wasn't around then, but two humans having sex is way more acceptable than a man and a goat fucking each other. That's beyond evil. That's just sick and disgusting. Goats and humans aren't even in the same class of mammals, yet your stupid fucking book seems to think that as long as a man lusts inside a goat, he's not committing any sin.
You and your entire religion disgust me in so many ways, I don't have the time or the desire to give you the list. Fuck off.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
(October 20, 2017 at 9:55 pm)emjay Wrote: Still waiting to hear if you want to chuck me off a roof, MK. I don't care if you do, but I want to know where you stand on that.
Yeah please let us know, MK, exactly which hateful and bigoted method you wish to go for when it comes to punishing this "evil" of loving someone who doesn't have a front bottom to go with your own crinkly old prejudiced Muslim candlestick.
(October 20, 2017 at 9:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Loving them as a friend or brother in humanity or faith is not wrong. Loving who you want sexually is wrong.
No it isn't. And you know it. Again - just because your stupid book tells you X doesn't make it fact or true.
Quote:For example, your siblings, your mother, your father, being attracted to them sexually is wrong, acting on such feelings is even worse.
Well no shit, Sherlock. But we aren't talking about incest. We are talking about two same sex people who are NOT related. But, typical that you change the goal posts to suit your agenda. Why am I not surprised. Been taking notes from Huggy or Dripshit lately?
Quote:So this premise is faulty, but I know you had that exception in mind, so I won't be petty and do away with your overall statement with exceptions.
Yet you did anyway. So why even bother to mention it? You knew exactly what I was referring to because it's YOUR TOPIC of discussion in this thread.
Quote:To love who we want is wrong in many instances. Loving a married person is wrong. Acting on it to the extent we break it, is even worse.
And loving people who are murderers or racist is also wrong. It is not enough to be sexually attracted to them, but they must be of good moral character.
And I can keep going.
And again - you just shift those goal posts to suit your own agenda. Look this shit is getting old and tiring with you. You are presented with rebuttals to your Quran and have been told numerous times that being gay isn't a choice - even by gay people, yet you refuse to listen. Remain ignorant. I do believe you'd rather like to be that way intentionally.
Quote:But this might seem all irrelevant but is it? I think in general men are meant for women and women are for men, and even the societies who had minorities doing the opposite, the majority was not choosing to bisexual and indifferent to who they are attracted to.
If it is not a choice, yes, it's not evil, but if it is a choice, then why do most humans not choose to be bisexual.
It's not a choice. Being bisexual just means you have more options to pick from in your life. Where is that wrong? Answer: It isn't wrong.
Quote:
And the people social engineering society, don't even believe it is not a choice even though that is what they teach, they in fact believe the best and complete form of love is to love both men and women sexually equally.
But most people don't embrace that and find love to the same degrading or repuslive. Even secular people who defend gay people will talk about sex with same gender in a degrading way often and degrading tone. Or will make mockery and jokes about it.
This is has to tell you a lot. You are seeing what is clearly in front of you.
There is another argument I will make, if it was good to love same gender sexually for some humans, it would be good for all humans to do so. It is not good for all humans to do so, therefore it is not good for any humans to do so.
In fact, this is a strong argument though it may seem silly. We apply to almost all morals, and there maybe exceptions, but almost all morals, works in the way that we inspire and take example of one another.
If both were beautiful, and one was not repulsive, disgusting, and ugly, humanity would on the most part choose to be bisexual.
And the illuminati, that is what they believe human enlightened society will be. They will be bisexual and practice sexuality love in equal manner to both. And if the premises you are arguing are true, that both are beautiful or equally honorable or good, then we should embrace both. But we know should not now, generations immersed in more illusions of darkness and desires and ignorance, I don't know what they will decide.
Let us hope - regardless of what the the truth is - humans begin to reflect sincerely and not just through parroting things without insight and reflection.
You've addressed nothing in any post I've made. You are as pointless and as useless as this entire thread. The only good thing that's come out of this thread is that I finally had an excellent reason to share the picture of my son and his boyfriend, basically telling everyone who can't accept their relationship, to fuck the fuck off.
After re-reading his post, I was going to rip him a new one. Thanks for getting there first!
MK, I withdraw that apology. After re-reading your post it proved to be just as bigoted and wrong-headed as the line I quoted.
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October 20, 2017 at 10:07 pm (This post was last modified: October 20, 2017 at 10:07 pm by Mystic.)
(October 20, 2017 at 9:57 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: How does holding adamantly to a morality (or any other belief) make one shit-bit of difference to whether that morality is subjective (they all are) or objective (none of them are)?
Nothing except that it just shows one is completely dishonest and the other honest, and that one actually believes good and evil are clearly defined and to be perceived, while the other is all confused in a muck of grey, and can't tell good from evil.
October 20, 2017 at 10:09 pm (This post was last modified: October 20, 2017 at 10:13 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(October 20, 2017 at 9:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Can someone else than me point to how Hammy contradicted himself in his post? That he is in a big contradiction. Atheists should help Atheists wake up from contradictions they are in as well or are you guys just here together to increases yourselves in blindness and error?
Someone spell it out for him, he can't be angry me for beliefs I hold without believing there are elements of free-will for holding those beliefs. And convince him by his tone, he is sure is angry.
I'm not angry at you. Although most decent people would be and I am a decent person... I am not angry at you merely because I feel no emotion right now. It's not that it would be unreasonable for me to be angry at you if it was. On the contrary... any decent person experiencing an emotion right now ought to be experiencing righteous indignation at your horrifically vile bullshit, if they are to feel anything at all.
But no . . . I am not feeling angry at you. What I am doing is I'm asserting in English that you are a bigoted moron. I am asserting that because it's true. I have also explained why it's true.
You are a walking contradiction. So it's ironic that you claim I have contradicted myself (while you fail to point it out, and hence you panic and ask others to do your deluded dirty work for you). I am very logical.
I have not contradicted myself at all. You projected your own delusions about free will and your delusion about belief being a choice onto me. I never said anything of the kind. It would be better if your beliefs were non-bigoted. I'm not claiming that you are able to choose to not believe them. I am claiming to hope that you will one day become compelled by and convinced of the reality of what a fucktard you were when you used to believe in bigoted bullshit as you do now.
(October 20, 2017 at 9:55 pm)emjay Wrote: Still waiting to hear if you want to chuck me off a roof, MK. I don't care if you do, but I want to know where you stand on that.
Well On my knowledge:
1) If there is punishment, it certainly is not death.
2) The reasoning of a man and woman being punished for sex outside wedlock is not the same as that has consequences in form children being born out of wedlock and other problems.
3) The nature of the choice is not the same, it is more of psychological caving in type thing....so I don't think a punishment will cure that or help in any form.
4) In conclusion, I don't know, not sure, have to research more, can't apply apples to oranges.
So in other words, it sounds like you actually would consider it, if it made logical sense to you... or what passes for logic in that fundamentalist mind of yours? Thanks anyway, at least I know where you stand.
Here's a thought, how's about letting your God do the punishing for once? It's almost as it you don't believe he can... he seems kind of superfluous since you and other members of your religion are more than happy to create hell on earth in his name for anyone who disagrees with you or you don't like.
October 20, 2017 at 10:10 pm (This post was last modified: October 20, 2017 at 10:11 pm by Mystic.)
Hammy - no one can wake you up from your contradictions except when you take responsibility for them.
(October 20, 2017 at 10:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Would you reform your ways if it turned out your religion insisted on homosexual sex except for procreation? Yes? No?
