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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 10:58 am
(October 27, 2017 at 8:42 am)SteveII Wrote: (October 25, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Mathilda Wrote: The theory of evolution is testable. It has been tested and found to be correct.
Regardless as to your position on evolution, this statement just isn't true unless you equivocate on the definition of 'evolution'. The word can be used in three senses:
1. Evolution (defined as "decent with modification")
2. Evolution (defined as "the mechanism that accounts for evolutionary change")
3. Evolution (defined as "reconstructing evolutionary history")
The second and third definitions are not testable and there are significant gaps in our knowledge about them. You think they are correct because #1 is correct and then through inferred by a naturalistic worldview, the other two must be correct--but that is a far cry from fact.
It's the best explanation we have right now. If a better one comes along we'll put this in the box with phlogiston.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 11:30 am
(October 26, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (October 25, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I argue GC comes across as a total, complete and perfect moron.
Possible a poe.
Frankly the discussions I have with others are none of your business, don't be like others answer what I post to you.
GC
(October 25, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Mathilda Wrote: The theory of evolution is testable. It has been tested and found to be correct.
Also, mutations increase the information content.
No it's not you've been fooled and/or brainwashed into think it can be tested and it's only a theory.
Mutations are a loss of information not a gain, the loss comes from what is already there and it's actually not loss, it's replaced by something else already there. No new info at all, period.
GC
(October 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're simply altering the hypothetical in order to avoid the conclusion. Do you deny that information in the genome can be lost due to mutation? In no clear sense does the term recessive apply. Recessive traits can express themselves without a change in the DNA. This is not at all analogous to the hypothetical given. The hypothetical given was an example where the information was actually lost. You're simply choosing not to answer the hypothetical.
To answer the hypothetical then C could never be.
GC I'd love to reply to you given you could ever string together a coherent sentence or question.
I'll pray you gain the ability.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 1:21 pm
(October 27, 2017 at 8:42 am)SteveII Wrote: (October 25, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Mathilda Wrote: The theory of evolution is testable. It has been tested and found to be correct.
Regardless as to your position on evolution, this statement just isn't true unless you equivocate on the definition of 'evolution'. The word can be used in three senses:
1. Evolution (defined as "decent with modification")
2. Evolution (defined as "the mechanism that accounts for evolutionary change")
3. Evolution (defined as "reconstructing evolutionary history")
The second and third definitions are not testable and there are significant gaps in our knowledge about them. You think they are correct because #1 is correct and then through inferred by a naturalistic worldview, the other two must be correct--but that is a far cry from fact.
All 3 are well understood:
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/6024/science...academy-of
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 1:22 pm
We should have a list, "The 73 stages of Evolution Denial".
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 1:39 pm
I would like Steve, et. al., to tell us how old they think the Earth & Universe to be. If they say that they don't know or give a Biblical value, then I think that they need to consult a quality mental health professional in addition to a quality science textbook.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 2:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2017 at 2:39 pm by SteveII.)
(October 27, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (October 27, 2017 at 8:42 am)SteveII Wrote: Regardless as to your position on evolution, this statement just isn't true unless you equivocate on the definition of 'evolution'. The word can be used in three senses:
1. Evolution (defined as "decent with modification")
2. Evolution (defined as "the mechanism that accounts for evolutionary change")
3. Evolution (defined as "reconstructing evolutionary history")
The second and third definitions are not testable and there are significant gaps in our knowledge about them. You think they are correct because #1 is correct and then through inferred by a naturalistic worldview, the other two must be correct--but that is a far cry from fact.
All 3 are well understood:
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/6024/science...academy-of
That's funny, because from your own link, the very first sentence starts with..."While the mechanisms of evolution are still under investigation..." Why do you think they start the entire description of their paper off with that phrase? It's not even like it was buried on page 47, it's the very first sentence.
The mechanism is not understood. While there are some theories on how portions of it might work, both it and evolutionary history is inferred by #1 being a testable/observable fact coupled to an assumption of naturalism.
(October 27, 2017 at 1:39 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I would like Steve, et. al., to tell us how old they think the Earth & Universe to be. If they say that they don't know or give a Biblical value, then I think that they need to consult a quality mental health professional in addition to a quality science textbook.
I think it is what it appears to be:
Universe: 13+ billion years old
Earth: 4+ billion years old
I am open to where the science leads us.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 2:55 pm
Steve, science is the study of the natural. Of course there's an assumption of naturalism.
I mean, c'mon, you're not even trying at this point.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 3:01 pm
(October 27, 2017 at 2:55 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Steve, science is the study of the natural. Of course there's an assumption of naturalism.
I mean, c'mon, you're not even trying at this point.
That wasn't my point. I was giving the reason why #2 and #3 are inferred. An inference fueled by an observable fact and a philosophical worldview does not a fact make.
I have no problem with methodological naturalism and the related principles as part of a philosophy of science. But we need to be more precise when we throw around the word 'fact' and ridicule people who object.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2017 at 3:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No, "we" don't. You believe in fairies and object to facts because you believe in fairies.
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RE: For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.
October 27, 2017 at 3:25 pm
(October 27, 2017 at 3:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: No, "we" don't. You believe in fairies and object to facts because you believe in fairies.
Your desire (or ability?) not to be precise is noted. As a point of 'fact', I don't believe in fairies so your conclusion is nonsense--but thanks to the imprecise example!
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