(November 1, 2017 at 9:41 am)Khemikal Wrote: "All factories have designers" begs the question, if a human being is pointed to meaningfully as a factory and this purported rule of factories leads us to the conclusion.

You could reformulate the claim to:

You have a designer, therefore you have a designer.

Of course we are factories silly, we produce lots of shyte and piss from delicious food through this process, which as everyone knows is vital for creation.

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(November 1, 2017 at 9:30 am)FPerson Wrote: Breathing, eating, walking, etc, are very natural human functions.  But most people do not think about how these basic actions take place.  For example, when you eat a fruit, you do not contemplate on how it will be made useful to your body.  The only thing on your mind is eating a satisfying meal; at the same time, your body is involved in extremely detailed processes unimaginable to you in order to make this meal a health-giving thing.

The digestive system where these detailed processes take place starts to function as soon as a piece of food is taken into the mouth.  Being involved in the system right at the outset, the saliva wets the food and helps it to be ground by the teeth and to slide down the esophagus.

The esophagus transports the food to the stomach where a perfect balance is at work.  Here, the hydrochloric acid present in the stomach digests the food.  This acid is so strong that it has the capacity to dissolve not only the food but also the stomach walls.  Of course, such a flaw is not permitted in this perfect system.  A secretion called mucus, which is secreted during digestion, covers all the walls of the stomach and provides a perfect protection against the destructive effect of the hydrochloric acid.  Thus the stomach is prevented from consuming itself.

The point that deserves attention here is that evolution can by no means explain the system briefly summarized above.  Evolution maintains that today’s complex organisms have evolved from primitive cellular forms by the gradual accumulation of small structural changes.  However, as stated clearly, the system in the stomach could in no way have been formed step by step.  The absence of even one factor would bring about the death of the organism.

When food is received into the stomach, the ability of the gastric juices to break down food is effectuated as a result of a series of chemical changes.  Now, imagine a living being in the so-called evolutionary process in whose body such a planned chemical transformation is not complete.  This living being, unable to develop this ability autonomously, would not be able to digest the food it ate and would starve to death with an undigested mass of food in its stomach.

In addition, during the secretion of this dissolving acid, the stomach walls simultaneously have to produce the secretion called mucus.  Otherwise, the acid in the stomach would destroy the stomach.  Therefore, in order for life to continue, the stomach must secrete both fluids (acid and mucus) at the same time.  This shows it was not a step-by-step coincidental evolution that must, in effect, have been at work, but rather a conscious creation with all its systems intact.

What all this shows is that the human body resembles a huge factory made up of many small machines that work together in perfect harmony.  Just as all factories have a designer, an engineer and a planner, the human body has an “Exalted Creator.”

- a comment i received on youtube.

Your argument is that these things could evolve separately if evolution were true ?

Even if it were true that these things were to evolve separately, then that creature would die very early on in that process, making it extinct very quickly. only the ones that can survive.. survive.  Also i must assume a creator would make a system rather more efficient than the one you mention meaning less waste.

The argument that life is complex so it must've been created by someone is weak. There is the question "Who or what created the creator?". Also all animals and monocelular organisms need to eat, so if evolution is true that means that we inherited the need to eat from a common ancestor.

(November 1, 2017 at 9:39 am)Wololo Wrote: If the system is so perfect why do you breathe through the same tube you eat through? Also, stuff like heartburn, constipation, diahorrea and my other complications of the eating process are proof the system is nowhere near as perfect as yer mand advertises? Finally why the appendix?

Seriously though, why the appendix?

This is the kind of question that keeps me awake at night, just like why the duck billed platypus?

turns out the appendix is a handy feature if you survive a bout of cholera


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Simply put, with all the flaws in the human body, from those mentioned previously regarding the digestive system, and such things as junk DNA, etc., if there was an "exalted designer", the designer was incompetent.

(November 1, 2017 at 9:19 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Simply put, with all the flaws in the human body, from those mentioned previously regarding the digestive system, and such things as junk DNA, etc., if there was an "exalted designer", the designer was incompetent.

Were you aware that your avatar no longer shows?

(November 1, 2017 at 9:20 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(November 1, 2017 at 9:19 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Simply put, with all the flaws in the human body, from those mentioned previously regarding the digestive system, and such things as junk DNA, etc., if there was an "exalted designer", the designer was incompetent.

Were you aware that your avatar no longer shows?

It does for everyone else?

OMG!

Are you having a stroke??






J/k.

I can't see it any more, either.

I dedicate my new, blank avatar to the Beatles White Album.

(November 1, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(November 1, 2017 at 12:13 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: How does a gallstone know that I am sinning ??

It's very galling.

Us sinners got to stick together, lest we be gallstoned to death.

(November 1, 2017 at 11:20 am)Astreja Wrote:

(November 1, 2017 at 9:30 am)FPerson Wrote: What all this shows is that the human body resembles a huge factory made up of many small machines that work together in perfect harmony.  Just as all factories have a designer, an engineer and a planner, the human body has an “Exalted Creator.”

An "Exalted Creator" whose engineering work could not prevent asphyxiation from food going into the trachea; gastroesophageal reflux; esophageal cancer; celiac disease; irritable bowel syndrome; Crohn's disease; pancreatitis; liver enzyme abnormalities; gallstones; and colorectal cancer.

Hack job, if you ask me.

*emphasis mine*

I didn't realize you atheists struggled so much with eating... I mean infant children seem to have it down pat.

The rest of your post could more than likely be solved by eating proper foods.

Huggy,  do you ever check out anything before you open your mouth?

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/inj...ildren.htm

Quote:Choking is the fourth leading cause of unintentional death in children under the age of 5.

Your god is one shitty designer.