(November 6, 2017 at 9:37 am)pocaracas Wrote: You understand that, before guns arrive at the "used market" they must be new, right?
It seems far from possible to enforce any kind of control on the used goods market, so the best bet would be a generational struggle to close the tap upstream.

Not in the US.  We have so many guns that production of new guns i already..largely, an export market.  They made a mint of the AR15 of late, due to the brilliance of the three gun marketing campaign.   Remember that most of these guns will -never- be used in a crime, areas with the most guns statistically see lower rates of gun crime -and- gun death, and guns hold their value at floor for decades.  There's no reason to suspect, in this situation, that making more guns or fewer guns will qualitatively increase or decrease crime.   There are already enough guns in circulation to perpetuate gun crime indefinitely.   

Quote:Well... yes they will become less lethal, as they age, rust and break.

I agree with you that such practices should also be employed. Also.

They're durable as shit.........most of my guns are older than me....one of them was made before the civil war.....

Quote:Your efforts are going for the largely uncontrollable P2P second hand market.

A market that needs to be closed.  There should always be a licensed dealer and a background check involved.  

Quote:They could be controllable if the guns currently in circulation had been purchased with a proper registration and require that registration to be updated at a central location every time the gun is sold, like you'd do with a car (at least that's how we do it with cars where I come from).

That'd be newer guns......factories stamp them and even file the rifling pattern nowadays.  This is in addition to other features both employed and in the works that make them safer.  Consider this, if we bought the old pistols off the streets....the pistols remaining in circulation could be much better regulated.  Hell, we could mandate that they all be sold with fingerprint locks.  There's a requirement for manufacturers they;d be all to happy to comply with.  Costs more.

Quote:Any crime committed with that gun would ultimately be traced back to it's registered owner, and no one wants to be guilty of a crime committed by their old guns, do they?
Start now! Implement this, if it's not already in place. Confiscate and destroy any unregistered weapon.

Americans have an aversion to government agents confiscating their things.  You're familiar with our government, right?  It's not an entirely unwarranted fear, lol.

Quote:While, at the same time, constraining the ease of access to new guns.

Gun confiscations aren't a reality in a pre gun-ban US.  Thems the breaks.  State level registritation and registration requirements are already a thing. Buybacks and pos control are much more feasible, and produce the same effect.  Trouble is..we couldn't afford to buy them all...so I say we start with the ones we keep confiscating from criminals..the ones we keep finding at crime scenes.  9mm's manufactured before '06. Then we can move on to the next category. Revolvers.......,
then the next....rifles, -amusingly, the only category in which "possession" is the major initiating offense, iow..felons who buy deer rifles.
then the next, shotguns,
then the next, "unknown types"
then the next, derringers (tiny pistols)
then the next, machine guns and assault rifles.

Notice...above, that homemade guns (unknown types) are better represented in trace data than the assualt rifles......I;m not saying we shouldn't do anything about assault rifles (the real ones and the ones that people think are assualt rifles)...I just find it amusing that a Home Depot Special get's higher placement in the trace.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:47 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 9:25 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Just read that the shooter was an atheist and was motivated by his hatred of religion and religiou people. Apparently we was well know for using the same kind of rhetoric we find on AF.

Then he was not a "TRUE" atheist.

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN would do such a thing!

(November 6, 2017 at 9:39 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 8:08 am)Cyberman Wrote: I grew up in the 1970s-80s UK. Guess we just imagined the IRA, then?

I grew up in the 1970s-80s Ireland. Guess we all must have imagined that mayhem too. 

And it wasn't just the IRA, there was the PIRA, RIRA, INLA, UDA, UVF and hell just chuck the whole alphabet at it, why not.

But no, apparently, atlas says the white people never engage in terrorism against white people, right?

What an abject load of nonsense. Here you and I sit with that crazy time in our living memory, but somehow, atlas knows better.

Atlas can be hard to understand, and I am not one to defend him, but I think he meant in modern propaganda, not in reality. In which case he's sorta right, though still not 100%. I could be wrong about how I'm interpreting what he said, though, I also only read one of his posts. This whole thread is a bit much.

(November 6, 2017 at 8:08 am)Cyberman Wrote: Because as we all know, Google images is the oracle of wisdom and unfailingly returns the exact truth for every question we ask of it. Thus we never have to cherry-pick our data from it.

(November 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: A terrorist is a brown man with a suicide vest, AK-47 and a Quran. This is the legacy of the war on terror propaganda, and what the world sees.

There is no blonde terrorists. There is no westerner terrorists.

I grew up in the 1970s-80s UK. Guess we just imagined the IRA, then?

The west changed after the war on terror, it's the moment in history where the whole world agreed to stand behind the U.S in the demonizing of Muslims, to ease the goals intended from the war on terror operation.

We are the new enemy needed. The IRA was a real terrorist militia that used bombing of British towns a legal activity.
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It is interesting how quickly Sinn Fein and the IRA went very quiet post-2001.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:28 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 9:25 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Just read that the shooter was an atheist and was motivated by his hatred of religion and religiou people.

I thought he taught Sunday achool??

So I checked into this and it is being reported as unconfirmed that he was a teachers aid at a Sunday School at a town 2 hours south of the incident.

I feel like such a douche typing in the words, the incident. As if babies and elderly people werent just slaughtered. /crying

(November 6, 2017 at 9:39 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 8:08 am)Cyberman Wrote: I grew up in the 1970s-80s UK. Guess we just imagined the IRA, then?

I grew up in the 1970s-80s Ireland. Guess we all must have imagined that mayhem too. 

And it wasn't just the IRA, there was the PIRA, RIRA, INLA, UDA, UVF and hell just chuck the whole alphabet at it, why not.

But no, apparently, atlas says the white people never engage in terrorism against white people, right?

What an abject load of nonsense. Here you and I sit with that crazy time in our living memory, but somehow, atlas knows better.

I was quite sarcastic about that.

now iam serious
ll humans are the same creature in terms of material. Males and females, we feel, we think, we breath. So racism is quite a very evil route to take; and I believe it's the sin that got Satan out of paradise.

Humans are equal. white and black are just skin tones. Take it off, and you'll have blood and bones.

It's not his alleged atheist persuasion that concerns me. It's the apparent claim to knowledge of his motivations for his crime.

Let's say that he did his terrible deeds because of hatred of religion and religious people. Does the attested fact that every atheist on this forum, and likely almost every atheist you might ask irl, condemn his actions not tell you anything?

(November 6, 2017 at 9:56 am)Aroura Wrote: Atlas can be hard to understand, and I am not one to defend him, but I think he meant in modern propaganda, not in reality. In which case he's sorta right, though still not 100%. I could be wrong about how I'm interpreting what he said, though, I also only read one of his posts. This whole thread is a bit much.

Modern propaganda was developed and built using white man as a test subject; usually the ignorant simple masses too, busy about their daily activities. Just like Asians, just like Arab Muslims, just the activities differ.

The poor bastards are all human and all holding a piece of paper called nationality.
We are all people.

(November 6, 2017 at 10:07 am)Cyberman Wrote: It's not his alleged atheist persuasion that concerns me. It's the apparent claim to knowledge of his motivations for his crime.

Let's say that he did his terrible deeds because of hatred of religion and religious people. Does the attested fact that every atheist on this forum, and likely almost every atheist you might ask irl, condemn his actions not tell you anything?

Absolutely. And the same is true for many other groups as well.