(November 6, 2017 at 11:52 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 11:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's fine, I told everybody once that throwing punches at the skies is a personal choice.
Just don't punch me with those fists !

No, I mean I literally, physically screwed the arse off the erstwhile virgin Mary. She was quite the little mover, once she got the hang of it.

Mary was great with child, Luke put it. She was pretty damn good before, as well.

I've no idea what you're banging on about.

Don't trust the stories of the gospel with 100% certainty. The Bible proved to be an full of errors and inaccuracies:

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-Prob...e-20120517

Just like the Islamic Hadith, the gospels of Luke, Paul, Genesis...etc are mere latin Hadiths; the book can't be trusted totally.
Luke's tales (or whoever wrote them) are not true, and that believe I got from reading the Quran. Mary was a whore only in the sick minds of many humans, and whoever said that about her.

(November 6, 2017 at 12:06 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Whatever. The message I got is undoubtedly about love and only love but you need to have an open mind, if you read it with a prejudice you'll only see what you want to see. Just look at the 10 commandments, I don't find a pinch of hate there. Do you?

There are about 600 more of those commandments, not all of them pretty. Wiping out most of humanity is not love. Torturing people for eternity because they can't make sense of book full of contradictions is not love. Admit it, you read it with prejudice also. So, if the bible says different things, depending on how you read it, it sounds useless for anything except a negative example to prospective writers.

(November 6, 2017 at 11:56 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 10:44 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:  My faith in this is different.

She went away from her people; I don't know why. Then an angel was sent to her; he manifested as a man. She told him to leave her alone if was good enough; but he told her that God sent him to give her a son. Then we don't know what happened, then she delievered the baby; her community questioned her about the infant, so she pointed at him; the infant spoke. That's Jesus.

Our faiths differ a lot! You seem to believe in the theory of invisibility.

You should focus more on the bolded part.

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I did focus; and said: we don't actually know. So I'll side with what prophet Mohammed peace be upon him said in the Quran that Mary was innocent from the dirty ideas of some.

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(November 6, 2017 at 12:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 11:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

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That's just like translating "I connected my U.S.B " to "I fucked an electronic bitch connecting my "stick" into her port.".
It tells me that your brain suffer from a serious issues.

Just where do you think babies come from...........?  If your mother came into the room and told you that some stranger on the road had given her a child.....you're going to have some idea as to how that happened, amiright?  If she told you that he was an angel, I'm sure you'd allow that she thought he was a very, very pretty man.  When, nine months later, a human being was born................

I'd tell you not to be silly, but I'm pretty sure..based upon the fact that you believe in talking angel infants and the post above...that my suggestion would fall on deaf ears.

From the natural operation of mating; aka sex between male and female. Here is where Marry and Jesus are a miracle: the kid didn't come out from a sexual operation like other kids.
Silly silly; if you believe that. I find it silly also to believe that the universe is empty, and that God doesn't exist.

(November 6, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 12:06 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Whatever. The message I got is undoubtedly about love and only love but you need to have an open mind, if you read it with a prejudice you'll only see what you want to see. Just look at the 10 commandments, I don't find a pinch of hate there. Do you?

There are about 600 more of those commandments, not all of them pretty.  Wiping out most of humanity is not love. Torturing people for eternity because they can't make sense of book full of contradictions is not love.  Admit it, you read it with prejudice also.  So, if the bible says different things, depending on how you read it, it sounds useless for anything except a negative example to prospective writers.

There are some concerning menstruation too. Yes, menstruation is IMPORTANT to the Lord God Almighty!!

Most all Christian denoms just ignore the religious significance of menstruation. And Scriptures emphasis on it makes absolutely clear any faith with an attitude of sweeping it under the rug is just plain WRONG !!

Menstruators:

Make sure you comport your self with His Holy ordinance concerning your sinful issue !!! PRAISE GOD !!!!

(November 6, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 12:06 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Whatever. The message I got is undoubtedly about love and only love but you need to have an open mind, if you read it with a prejudice you'll only see what you want to see. Just look at the 10 commandments, I don't find a pinch of hate there. Do you?

There are about 600 more of those commandments, not all of them pretty.

There are ten commandments. It doesn't tell the whole story but it does a good job of summarizing the overall contents.

Quote:Wiping out most of humanity is not love. Torturing people for eternity because they can't make sense of book full of contradictions is not love.

I disagree with your interpretation. If you think about it, the things you disagree with are the same things that led our world up to this point where someone gave birth to you and here you are telling me this, if those things didn't happen you wouldn't even be alive to type that.

Quote:Admit it, you read it with prejudice also.

Not at all. Cherry picking aside I don't find anything wrong with the overall message. Bible only teaches us to love.

Quote:So, if the bible says different things, depending on how you read it, it sounds useless for anything except a negative example to prospective writers.

If you read it like just another "book" it's just going to sound like any other book. The Bible is called the holy Bible for a reason. I read it without any prejudice and I agreed with it, I honestly don't know why the experience was different for you, to each his own I guess.

(November 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 11:52 am)Cyberman Wrote: No, I mean I literally, physically screwed the arse off the erstwhile virgin Mary. She was quite the little mover, once she got the hang of it.

Mary was great with child, Luke put it. She was pretty damn good before, as well.

I've no idea what you're banging on about.

Don't trust the stories of the gospel with 100% certainty.

I don't take the stories of the gospels for toilet paper. I don't need to, I was actually there. I know firsthand how ridiculous the stories are. She even let me take pictures, if you want to see them. You first have to believe, though, or you probably won't see anything.

(November 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 11:56 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: You should focus more on the bolded part.

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I did focus; and said: we don't actually know. So I'll side with what prophet Mohammed peace be upon him said in the Quran that Mary was innocent from the dirty ideas of some.

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(November 6, 2017 at 12:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Just where do you think babies come from...........?  If your mother came into the room and told you that some stranger on the road had given her a child.....you're going to have some idea as to how that happened, amiright?  If she told you that he was an angel, I'm sure you'd allow that she thought he was a very, very pretty man.  When, nine months later, a human being was born................

I'd tell you not to be silly, but I'm pretty sure..based upon the fact that you believe in talking angel infants and the post above...that my suggestion would fall on deaf ears.

From the natural operation of mating; aka sex between male and female. Here is where Marry and Jesus are a miracle: the kid didn't come out from a sexual operation like other kids.
Silly silly; if you believe that. I find it silly also to believe that the universe is empty, and that God doesn't exist.

Why would that be silly? Unless you know of immaculate conception happening before, it should be silly to believe otherwise. Unless you also accept all the other cases, like Julius Caesar, etc. No wonder you believe what you do; you seem to equate "silly" with critical thinking.

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(November 6, 2017 at 2:33 pm)pool the matey Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: There are about 600 more of those commandments, not all of them pretty.

There are ten commandments. It doesn't tell the whole story but it does a good job of summarizing the overall contents.

Quote:Wiping out most of humanity is not love. Torturing people for eternity because they can't make sense of book full of contradictions is not love.

I disagree with your interpretation. If you think about it, the things you disagree with are the same things that led our world up to this point where someone gave birth to you and here you are telling me this, if those things didn't happen you wouldn't even be alive to type that.

Quote:Admit it, you read it with prejudice also.

Not at all. Cherry picking aside I don't find anything wrong with the overall message. Bible only teaches us to love.

Quote:So, if the bible says different things, depending on how you read it, it sounds useless for anything except a negative example to prospective writers.

If you read it like just another "book" it's just going to sound like any other book. The Bible is called the holy Bible for a reason. I read it without any prejudice and I agreed with it, I honestly don't know why the experience was different for you, to each his own I guess.

"Does a good job"?! For who? For someone who only wants the bible to say what they want to believe?

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(November 6, 2017 at 2:33 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Wiping out most of humanity is not love. Torturing people for eternity because they can't make sense of book full of contradictions is not love.

I disagree with your interpretation. If you think about it, the things you disagree with are the same things that led our world up to this point where someone gave birth to you and here you are telling me this, if those things didn't happen you wouldn't even be alive to type that.

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You're making no sense.  What am I disagreeing with that caused me to be born?

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(November 6, 2017 at 2:33 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Admit it, you read it with prejudice also.

Not at all. Cherry picking aside I don't find anything wrong with the overall message. Bible only teaches us to love.

Quote:So, if the bible says different things, depending on how you read it, it sounds useless for anything except a negative example to prospective writers.

If you read it like just another "book" it's just going to sound like any other book. The Bible is called the holy Bible for a reason. I read it without any prejudice and I agreed with it, I honestly don't know why the experience was different for you, to each his own I guess.
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It's called holy because someone called it that.  No other reason.

So you read it without knowing anything about christianity?  Because there is no way someone can honestly read it and, through critical thinking (hell, thinking at all), come to the conclusion it is a true story.

Harry Nevis Wrote:"Does a good job"?! For who? For someone who only wants the bible to say what they want to believe?

That's not what I meant, what I meant was that the ten commandments does a good job of delivering the meaning or rather purpose of the Bible.

Quote:You're making no sense. What am I disagreeing with that caused me to be born?

What I meant was that the world we're living in now was shaped by what happened in the past, it's like the ripple effect where one event leads to another and so on. It is said that even a small change of a variable in the past will result in a drastic change in the present.

Like for example, imagine you time travel back in time and picks up a rock and put it somewhere else, who knows maybe your great great great grandfather who is supposed to be alive will somehow die just because you misplaced a simple rock and lead to a vastly different present.

What I meant was the many things you disagreed with like for example the death of many people are precisely the reason you are alive today to disagree with that very thing, because if someone could travel back in time and stop those deaths from happening we would be living in a vastly different present, maybe one where you or I won't even be alive. I just thought it was ironic, sorry for overly complicating lol

(November 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Don't trust the stories of the gospel with 100% certainty. The Bible proved to be an full of errors and inaccuracies:

-as is the quran.  Doesn't stop you, why should it stop them?

Quote:From the natural operation of mating; aka sex between male and female. Here is where Marry and Jesus are a miracle: the kid didn't come out from a sexual operation like other kids.

That's what she said..but she wouldn't be the first or last to say so....and we all know better.  

Quote:Silly silly; if you believe that.

I bet she thought the same of Joseph.  

Quote: I find it silly also to believe that the universe is empty, and that God doesn't exist.

-and yet you believe that pregnant teenagers didn't fuck.  A pattern is developing.

(November 6, 2017 at 3:11 pm)pool the matey Wrote:

Harry Nevis Wrote:"Does a good job"?! For who? For someone who only wants the bible to say what they want to believe?

That's not what I meant, what I meant was that the ten commandments does a good job of delivering the meaning or rather purpose of the Bible.

Quote:You're making no sense.  What am I disagreeing with that caused me to be born?

What I meant was that the world we're living in now was shaped by what happened in the past, it's like the ripple effect where one event leads to another and so on. It is said that even a small change of a variable in the past will result in a drastic change in the present.

Like for example, imagine you time travel back in time and picks up a rock and put it somewhere else, who knows maybe your great great great grandfather who is supposed to be alive will somehow die just because you misplaced a simple rock and lead to a vastly different present.

What I meant was the many things you disagreed with like for example the death of many people are precisely the reason you are alive today to disagree with that very thing, because if someone could travel back in time and stop those deaths from happening we would be living in a vastly different present, maybe one where you or I won't even be alive. I just thought it was ironic, sorry for overly complicating lol

And, of course, you're assuming the purpose of the bible. If it's to convince people that the christian god exists, and is good and just, it fails miserably.