(November 10, 2017 at 11:58 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 11:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Because the religious know full well that they can present no evidence that ANY god exists, thus they avoid the question.

When Atheists blurt out things they want to be true like your phrase with no knowledge, there is seriously limitations to what a person aware of proofs can do to convince a person who doesn't want to be convinced of God.

Then you will be right away presenting evidence for whichever of the thousands of claimed deities you claim is true, right? You can do that at least, Right?
Of course you can't.

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I tell you what - either A or B and I will change my mind of Atheists generally being stubborn people who want to hold on to ignorance as proof that God is not known to others.

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There is no proof of any claimed "god".
Perhaps you will be the first to produce such. I will not be holding my breath.

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A.  Present well in the best charitable manner all arguments for God by at least five famous philosophers and show they are wrong. Charitable means you ought to look for premises to further their premises and claims, not just debunk them. Show you really tried to see it - fill in hidden premises - and show why it's not true.

B. Present well all the arguments I have brought over the years for God or at least five of what you think are my better or clearer arguments. Do the same as above and show why it's wrong.

I have yet to meet a truly sincerely searching Atheist for the truth with all out resolve. I see people vehement with a passion to remain ignorant. I see some looking for evidence confused, but really a little effort on their part to understand.

I want to see at least one not like this.

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That is shifting the burden of proof. You claim a god exists. Demonstrate that this is true. 
If any god was demonstrated, I would certainly believe in it. None ever has.

God be praised and loved, the witness who sees things as they are defining them through his absolute true judgment and the reckoner by which we are accounted.

I am off for the day....will be back later tonight.

(November 10, 2017 at 11:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 11:35 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: But none having to do with the supernatural or the existance of a god.  This is simply true.

Why not?

Because they have none.

(November 10, 2017 at 2:01 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 11:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why not?

Because they have none.

So, then you would agree, that those trying to say it is false that Christ was raised from the dead are being irrational?

(November 10, 2017 at 12:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Astreja Wrote: If *I* were your god, I would arrange to have life slap you silly with a long string of misadventures and failures until you smartened the fuck up and apologized for your mischaracterization of non-believers.

*smiles* and would the "evil" I experience be worth it?

If it gets you to stop telling lies about me and other non-believers, and knocks you off your "I know The Truth and I'm going to teach you poor, misguided atheists" pedestal once and for all -- Yes, for me it would be worth it.  If I had the power, I would do it in an instant.

(November 10, 2017 at 2:07 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 2:01 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: Because they have none.

So, then you would agree, that those trying to say it is false that Christ was raised from the dead are being irrational?

Jesus was not raised from the dead; of that fact, we can be at least certain.

(November 10, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 2:07 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So, then you would agree, that those trying to say it is false that Christ was raised from the dead are being irrational?

Jesus was not raised from the dead; of that fact, we can be at least certain.

On one hand, you say that religion does not make falsifiable claims, yet say that this one is false.   How is this not contradictory?
What do you base your claim here?


According to your previous arguments would your certainty here make this an unfalsifiable claim.  Because especially for those at the time, and even now, it would seem that this is falsifiable.   Keep in mind with your arguments here, that if it is not falsifiable, it's not really able to be shown to be true either.  I think you need to think through your arguments a bit more, and make them more consistent.

(November 10, 2017 at 2:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 2:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Jesus was not raised from the dead; of that fact, we can be at least certain.

On one hand, you say that religion does not make falsifiable claims, yet say that this one is false.   How is this not contradictory?
What do you base your claim here?


According to your previous arguments would your certainty here make this an unfalsifiable claim.  Because especially for those at the time, and even now, it would seem that this is falsifiable.   Keep in mind with your arguments here, that if it is not falsifiable, it's not really able to be shown to be true either.  I think you need to think through your arguments a bit more, and make them more consistent.

I used the word "certain" for a reason.  If Jesus would appear to me now, corporeally, then, maybe, I would change my mind.  What would it take for you to change your mind, to believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead?

(November 10, 2017 at 2:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 2:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: On one hand, you say that religion does not make falsifiable claims, yet say that this one is false.   How is this not contradictory?
What do you base your claim here?


According to your previous arguments would your certainty here make this an unfalsifiable claim.  Because especially for those at the time, and even now, it would seem that this is falsifiable.   Keep in mind with your arguments here, that if it is not falsifiable, it's not really able to be shown to be true either.  I think you need to think through your arguments a bit more, and make them more consistent.

I used the word "certain" for a reason.  If Jesus would appear to me now, corporeally, then, maybe, I would change my mind.  What would it take for you to change your mind, to believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead?

You said that it is both a fact and that you are certain that it is false.  Would you agree that this is a falsifiable claim then? 
(note: This isn't about the establishing the truth or falseness of Jesus's resurrection.  It is about your logic and reasoning and false premises.)