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**Whateverist** · November 15, 2017 at 1:50 pm

Yep of all the kinds of appreciation I might receive, nothing pleases me as much as gratitude. Especially if they fall all over themselves complimenting me in the process. That's when I know we've really bonded and that they understand just how indispensable I am.

**The Grand Nudger** · November 15, 2017 at 1:54 pm

(November 15, 2017 at 1:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You should do good out of gratitude to the Creator, nothing else is really that much "good".

-and here I was thinking that good for goodness sake was the way to roll. Silly me, I should have known that the only real reason to do anything was because of djinn.

~~Mystic~~ · November 15, 2017 at 2:07 pm

(November 15, 2017 at 1:54 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(November 15, 2017 at 1:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You should do good out of gratitude to the Creator, nothing else is really that much "good".

-and here I was thinking that good for goodness sake was the way to roll. Silly me, I should have known that the only real reason to do anything was because of djinn.

Goodness is God, the fact you deny it, just shows you wish to use the name of goodness, and use his light, to suit your ego.

**The Grand Nudger** · November 15, 2017 at 2:21 pm

God? Balderdash. Goodness is Philmoore. Kindly stop using Philmoores name in vain and crediting his work to ghosts.

Succubus · (This post was last modified: November 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm by Succubus.)

(November 15, 2017 at 9:47 am)alpha male Wrote:
(November 15, 2017 at 9:26 am)Brian37 Wrote: That is not a choice when it is under threat. Hell is a threat, which is not a choice of mutual consent.

I'm talking about the saved, for whom hell is no longer a threat.

But it is though, it's a constant threat. Even the most devout Christians are not in a constant state of grace, god can at any time cut the power to the force field separating the saved from eternal damnation. All he needs is reasonable suspicion and bang, down go the shields and the hapless twats have to go through the whole business of confessing and penance once more.
And what about the devout but perma-banned Christians? You know, the ones who cussed out the holy ghost, even inadvertently. The poor sods live their lives in a constant state of terror knowing that no matter what, god in his infinite mercy, has destined them to burn in hell. I think this aspect of the Christian story is the most utterly insane, and the competition is fierce.

LastPoet · November 15, 2017 at 4:15 pm

(November 15, 2017 at 2:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Goodness is God, the fact you deny it, just shows you wish to use the name of goodness, and use his light, to suit your ego.

Dunno who has a bigger ego, the unbeliever or the one that pretends to know what the creator of all things is.

Amarok · November 15, 2017 at 5:00 pm

Quote:Goodness is God, the fact you deny it, just shows you wish to use the name of goodness, and use his light, to suit your ego

You assert without reason he is goodness nothing more .

As for the idea of eternal rewards vs eternal punishment . It's a mockery of justice and without doubt the most malevolent system i can imagine.

As for Brians comments i think you missed my point .

Amarok · (This post was last modified: November 15, 2017 at 6:22 pm by Amarok.)

Quote:You should do good out of gratitude to the Creator, nothing else is really that much "good"

Even if it existed i owe it no gratitude . And yes good is not gratitude to your sky daddy.

Quote:I'm talking about the saved, for whom hell is no longer a threat.

No hell is still a threat it's just renamed heaven .

Abaddon_ire · November 15, 2017 at 10:05 pm

(November 15, 2017 at 12:17 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(November 15, 2017 at 11:53 am)Whateverist Wrote: I've always heard one could take a Mulligan on their death bed. Did that rule change?

You don't understand the rules.

Salvation - yes, can be taken on the death bed.

Rewards - nope, too late on the death bed. Person can still be saved as "one escaping through the flames," as Paul puts it. See 1 Cor 3.

Point is that, even if one believes in OSAS, there are still eternal rewards to motivate good behavior in this life.

So you're all good with genocide. What a horrible position.

Simon Moon · November 15, 2017 at 10:16 pm

(November 15, 2017 at 10:05 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(November 15, 2017 at 12:17 pm)alpha male Wrote: You don't understand the rules.

Salvation - yes, can be taken on the death bed.

Rewards - nope, too late on the death bed. Person can still be saved as "one escaping through the flames," as Paul puts it. See 1 Cor 3.

Point is that, even if one believes in OSAS, there are still eternal rewards to motivate good behavior in this life.

So you're all good with genocide. What a horrible position.

A genocidal dictator can save his 'soul' on his death bed, but an extremely ethical, moral atheist gets eternal punishment for a thought crime.

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