(November 17, 2017 at 9:02 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Would Jesus have had the Jesus soul in utero ?

I think the Jesus soul would have been inspirated upon His live birth, just like everyone elses.

That’s a good question. I guess he was just a regular fetus and then god hopped in at birth. I didn’t think of that.

Genesis 2:7 is pretty clear.

I realize it is on most Christian's Bible Verses To Ignore List, but it's still in the bible whether they like it or not.

(November 17, 2017 at 8:35 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(November 17, 2017 at 8:16 pm)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: I can see it as the news headlines some 2,000 years ago!

But seriously, both my daughters went to Anglican-based very expensive private schools. Ok, don't ask questions it just happened, ok? There were secular options but I blame myself for not enrolling them there. It is what it is.

Anyway, this particular school had sex education classes for the students but also had religious classes as well - of course. Some of the brighter ones put 2 & 2 together and since the "immaculate conception" was in fact a non-consential impregnation of a woman, the logical conclusion is that GOD RAPED MARY.

I don't see much discussion of this issue on atheist or xtian forums so I thought I would raise the topic in the religious section of an atheist website for the obvious reasons that I would probably get banned for discussing it on a xtian forum.

I was actually quite proud of my daughters for coming up with this conclusion together with their friends. It is particularly relevant at this time with all the sexual misconduct allegations that are arising in Hollywood and many other industries.

Does anyone else see this as rape?

Welcome. You will fit in well here: you and your equally stupid children can't even get the definition of rape right. Critical thinking skills are on the decline. I blame vaccines.

No, fuckhead! Jebus raped his mother.

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(November 17, 2017 at 8:51 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, was a big fan of rape.  It all started with Adam & Eve.  Eve never had a choice.  She was a sex slave from her inception.  The theme is repeated in other biblical stories as well.  It is also similar to other ancient Mediterranean area stories.  

The amusing thing about the Mary story is that although she supposedly knew that the God character was going to knock her up she forgot all about it as she got older.  She didn't believe in Yeshua and thought that he was a lunatic tick.  And then as she was on the rocket to death's door she got religious and became a believer.

Aye. It is indeed most curious that the mother of god wasn't mithered by the paparazzi.

"Lady Mary, I'm Jacob from the Jerusalem Times and our readers are wondering did you have a difficult birth? Did you sniff frankincense or have an inordinate fondness for ice cream?"

"Hello mother of god, I'm Beth from the Galilee Daily News, did you cum? You know, at the moment of insemination I mean, If that's not a personal question."

(November 17, 2017 at 9:44 pm)Succubus Wrote: No, fuckhead! Jebus raped his mother.

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Good point! In fact, it was a gang rape with the father, the son and the holy spirit all in there at the same time!!!

(November 17, 2017 at 8:46 pm)Bow Before Zeus Wrote:

(November 17, 2017 at 8:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: Welcome. You will fit in well here: you and your equally stupid children can't even get the definition of rape right. Critical thinking skills are on the decline. I blame vaccines.

Firstly, my children have gone on to university studying sciene/law and engineering/law respectively. So "stupid" is definitely an adjective that cannot be used to describe them.

Secondly, addressing the topic rather than attacking the messenger (or should I say harbinger of bad news) and applying some of that famed critical thinking, how is the conclusion not logical? Penetration and/or conception requires consent. Where in the bible does Mary give consent for your god to impregnate her?

PS Of course you blame vaccines, your "logic" has so far been shown to completely lack any scientific evidence.

You're going to make Stevie feel bad.  Critical thinking is not his long suit.  How could it be?  He thinks fairy tales are real.

The story goes that Mary gave consent to a pregnancy by a miraculous, non sexual conception. Nothing about this is rape in any sense of the word. But you knew that.

(November 18, 2017 at 12:59 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The story goes that Mary gave consent to a pregnancy by a miraculous, non sexual conception. Nothing about this is rape in any sense of the word. But you knew that.

No, I did not know that. Give me your bible quote please. KJV only acceptable translation thanks.

(November 18, 2017 at 12:59 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The story goes that Mary gave consent to a pregnancy by a miraculous, non sexual conception. Nothing about this is rape in any sense of the word. But you knew that.

What was the age of consent in first century Judaea?

(November 18, 2017 at 1:21 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(November 18, 2017 at 12:59 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The story goes that Mary gave consent to a pregnancy by a miraculous, non sexual conception. Nothing about this is rape in any sense of the word. But you knew that.

What was the age of consent in first century Judaea?

Oh my goodness! Yet another perspective I had not considered. This from wikipedia entry on Mary:

"Some apocryphal accounts state that at the time of her betrothal to Joseph, Mary was 12–14 years old, and he was ninety years old, but such accounts are unreliable. According to ancient Jewish custom, Mary could have been betrothed at about 12."

I have removed the references - check out wikipedia for more info.

But this shows, not only did god rape mary, but she was only 12-14 at the time!!! What is wrong with this god???

That was normal age for having kids and marriage back then bc they died so much earlier. They matured much faster and were considered adults by that time. She was engaged already when she became pregnant.

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Also, you're clearly a troll. And not a funny one, unfortunately.